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Navy Pier (Free verse) by Doug
Lake Michigan's soft and ceaseless cobalt breakers, the dulcet breeze by the Beer Garden in such peculiar concert with your silly laugh. It blew your russet hair against my cheek, as I drank the rest of your warm Black & Tan and stared at the shimmering of your freckled shoulder, half-concerned that sweat and sun could make such splendor.

Up the ladder: The break-up
Down the ladder: tripped on an eggo

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Weighted score: 5.43703
Overall Rank: 3012
Posted: June 18, 2004 12:25 PM PDT; Last modified: August 15, 2004 5:19 PM PDT
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[9] edpeterson @ 68.79.22.247 | 18-Jun-04/9:24 PM | Reply
stoic? lilted breeze? final stanza is quite good
[9] zodiac @ 65.161.41.48 | 18-Jun-04/9:37 PM | Reply
Here's the grammar bit: You don't need a comma between stoic and cobalt. "It's" should "its", and I had trouble remembering that 'it' was Lake Michigan. I'd consider saying "the lilted breeze" and running the sentence into the next stanza, instead. At any rate, the second bit needs a little work. You've got "as I drank" doing double duty as subordinate clause for two main clauses, a big No-no. The best I can come up with for a revision would be something like:

I can still hear Lake Michigan's
soft and stoic cobalt breakers.
The lilted breeze by the Beer Garden
mixed so well with your silly laugh,

blew your russet hair against my cheek
as I drank the rest of your warm Black & Tan,
stared at the shimmering of your freckled shoulder,
half concerned that sweat and sun could make such splendor.

I'm not really pleased with that - as you've pointed out, I'm not great shakes at poetry-writing lately. But you get the idea.

Some other little things:
1) "stared at" bothers me. I hate that construction, and though everyone on this site is bound to bust my ass for saying it, I like "watched" a lot better. Or "stared ______ at" with some adverb or other (hard, sleepily, stupidly, come to mind) inserted.

2) I wasn't really prepared for "half-concerned". Looking back for clues, I get the "silly" girl who doesn't deserve to be so splendorous - and that's about it. Maybe it's enough and I just wasn't paying enough attention the first time; see what other people think about it.

3) "so well" is a waste of space, a place-holder expression. You can think of a better description.

4) You should break the line after "sun". Then you get an easy half-rhyme with "Tan" and you don't have to worry about the last line being much longer than any of the others.

That's about it. It's not bad, really. Definitely the best of your posts.
[8] wilco @ 24.176.102.131 > zodiac | 18-Jun-04/9:58 PM | Reply
Holy shit, he can leave serious comments. Don't you feel bad now, Doug.

Regarding the poem: Not bad, really.
[n/a] Doug @ 205.188.117.6 > zodiac | 18-Jun-04/10:35 PM | Reply
Thanks Zodiac!
I'll redress it a bit and put it back up.
I appreciate your criticism.

Thanks,
Doug
[9] Shuushin @ 207.5.211.177 | 19-Jun-04/9:00 AM | Reply
Hey doug, this has a very honest feel to it.

Let me pick at it a bit too, hopefully focusing on things you might use in other poems.

the word "can" just takes up space, really it does't convey anything except as a noun.

And "still" - same thing.

LEt me give you one more thing to think about. This saying you hear LMich and actually using the word "hear" - also not a big value adding word in this context.

Suppose you had done instead

Lake Michigan
soft and stoic, cobalt breakers
lilted Beer Garden breezes ... [etc.]

See, the same thing is conveyed but without the burden of those words; it's [I hope] more showing than telling. Why make the reader work if they get nothing in return?

But even without that stuff, this still has a very sweet feel.
[n/a] pain killer @ 217.159.74.253 > Shuushin | 19-Jun-04/2:44 PM | Reply
oh jesus jones...henry o zodiac desides to give his honest and considered opinion and even declares this poem as not bad really and you are grateful. tell the cunt to go rim himself the patronising fantasist that he is. it's better by a conga line of buggery mile than any of the overblown slop that he writes. just because he's half literate doesn't mean he's any good. he's an over educated buffoon with nothing better to do than construct a fantasy life for himself via this site because his life in the (gulp) real world is so sadly lacking.

nice poem doug
willy mac zodiac...honk honk
[9] zodiac @ 65.161.41.48 > pain killer | 19-Jun-04/11:21 PM | Reply
You're... you're absolutely right, pain killer. My years at Poetry School have left me without friends, incapable of even the most basic human interaction, and with a libido shrunken to pea-size. Oh, how often whilst sipping champagna from impossibly tall handblown vials at my prolonged literary soirees do I wish I could only "tip back" some "brewskie" with a few good "chums"! Maybe I could even smoke a pot! I... I guess that's why I overcompensate so much... because I'm really a sad, sad little man with no *real* life, and probably a gay to boot. You've hit the nail exactly on the head, pain killer. Thanks a bunch for telling it like it is... *tears*

-zodiac
[9] zodiac @ 65.161.41.48 > zodiac | 19-Jun-04/11:23 PM | Reply
PS-your intolerably gay
[8] SupremeDreamer @ 204.31.182.69 > zodiac | 20-Jun-04/12:02 AM | Reply
Sometimes you can be quite the class act. Maybe this should be included in some warped script for Good Will Hunting 2 (Will vs. the over-educated buffoon). I know the idea is utter crap, but it's Hollywood, and there are simple folk who have money to burn.. at the least, it would be amusing. (Where would we be with-out capitalism? Who the fuck knoes, and really who cares? Why ask the question if it's born from stupidity? er, cause one can.)

Blarg.
[8] SupremeDreamer @ 204.31.182.69 > pain killer | 19-Jun-04/11:57 PM | Reply
Over educated folks don't make for good buffoons. But he is, when in his golden moments, quite funny.

Now why do I sense loathing and the hint of someones inferiority complex? (yes, it is what you've painted and left as imagery left strewn in some fuckwits LSD Art gallery.)

Some folks feel better when there's a defined target, though vaguely understood, its theraputic to take shots at it, isn't it? (ah, darkie, you made for a splendid punching bag... anyway, where was I? oh yes, ranting.)

But whatever and a bag of shit set aflame on a irish mans porch, good day.
[n/a] Doug @ 205.188.117.6 > Shuushin | 20-Jun-04/1:34 AM | Reply
Thanks Shin Shuu that is good advice i'll amend it a tad.

Thanks again,
Doug
[9] Dan garcia-Black @ 66.218.59.151 | 20-Jun-04/12:27 PM | Reply
Feels like T.S. in the line about the silly laughter and in the almost "non-sequitur" feel in the lines about the skin, sweat and sun that bring it all together. Love it.
[8] Sasha @ 69.138.236.63 | 20-Jun-04/12:29 PM | Reply
It's cool over here
[n/a] pain killer @ 217.159.74.253 > Sasha | 22-Jun-04/11:05 AM | Reply
oi fred mczodiac@wibble.com, i suppose i should fold like a fragile flower under the full force of your mordant wit, either that or sulk a lot, but heaven knows we've already got one morrissey thank you very much, and the last time a checked one neil hannon too, although you do a make for a most divine comedy yourself...now where did i leave my whip..oh yes i left it in my valaise...just ask adam and admit you haven't the faintest idea what i'm on about have you?....ahh modern culture mr honk,modern culture.....or at least circa 1977
[9] edpeterson @ 68.79.18.7 | 5-Aug-04/1:15 PM | Reply
what is spledor?
[n/a] Doug @ 64.12.116.146 > edpeterson | 10-Aug-04/5:36 PM | Reply
i don't know - what is spledor?
If you had half a mind for words or the tragedy of their loss -
you would cry for our lack of thought and hope!!!!!!!
[10] Nateislate @ 67.42.43.177 | 5-Aug-04/1:55 PM | Reply
Others are attempting genuine feedback. I'll attempt the same, stipulating that this is a fine effort that I like very much. I'm most concerned with two incongruities:

1. Half-concerned. It doesn't seem to fit. The poem didn't seem to be building to the point of concern. Elated, intrigued, comfortable, satisfied -- variants on these words would seem (to me) more appropriate. When I first read the half-concerned line, I thought you were trying to draw a contrast - but I didn't know with what. It took me out of the moment.

2. Sweat. Before that point, you were painting a cool picture. Cobalt breakers, dulcet breeze, beer garden. The black and tan is warm, not hot. So why is she sweating? Nervous? Pissed that you drank her beer? I'm not saying she can't perspire, just that the day seems breezy and comfortable, not hot and sweaty.
[n/a] Doug @ 64.12.116.146 > Nateislate | 10-Aug-04/5:24 PM | Reply
Have you been to Chicago in August?It's both hot and breezy - at moments sticky and hot , yet at other moments windy, mild and mute.It causes changes in moods and thought quite often.
[9] klosterfobik @ 152.163.252.165 | 11-Aug-04/8:42 PM | Reply
Were you afraid to fall in love with a girl unworthy?
[9] Dan garcia-Black @ 66.159.205.32 | 16-Aug-04/9:24 AM | Reply
Imagery reminiscent of Sandburg? Are you a sandburger? -9-
[0] horus8 @ 24.130.62.63 | 16-Aug-04/3:22 PM | Reply
Sure's better than the first, 8.
[10] INTRANSIT @ 204.110.227.60 | 17-Aug-04/12:08 PM | Reply
concerned. intersting. not sure i like it but it's better than the first time 'round
[9] klosterfobik @ 205.188.117.6 > INTRANSIT | 22-Aug-04/8:44 PM | Reply
Very soft and complete - almost like I was there. - 9 -
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