Re: Memory by chocolate9009	17-Mar-05/5:30 PM
I can see you ran into a wall without your saying so. And the spacing is just distracting. Other than that it's not bad.
Re: a comment on A Plea To The Mother(Mother Earth) by Rainbow_chaser	17-Mar-05/5:18 PM
I presume you refer to Rainbow Chaser's "i must say this, true strength is found in utter weakness, if one would only look around and grow from each experiance.... well then all could benifit from alittle weakness." It's another example of pulling certain vulnerable words from the context of what a person is saying. The loose, imprecise nature of her writing in this comment should have shown you that her exact words are not important compared to the whole of what she is saying. She means it's the admission of weakness, not necessarily weakness, that leads to strength. She's also saying that many people are weak because they do not admit weakness. I think she's quite right about this.
Re: a comment on JJ’s Church by Dovina	17-Mar-05/5:05 PM
Yeah, stained/dirty glass, offering plate/tip jar - good suggestions. Then there's the laying on of hands (on thighs, and have you ever seen someone slain in the spirit or passed out on the floor of a bar? I hate to think what the Brits will come up with.
Re: The Ususal Love Stuff by Dreammaker1024	17-Mar-05/1:12 PM
Strange how the usual love stuff is so unusual and new. Just try to say it with a lot less words.
Re: Pain by camperdfl	17-Mar-05/1:10 PM
Not a limerick. Would be stronger without the first word in each line, Lies/Cries/Screams . . .
Re: Drinking before noon with Bukowski by Beyond_Dreams	17-Mar-05/1:03 PM
You’ve encountered the typical American man. I’ve been told on good authority that if you don’t do it, they don’t want you. I’ve met several who walked away for the same reason. But I have to confess that his hand slipping under my skirt to my knee, or a little past, aroused tender desires, mostly the kind that wanted to give a hug to a lonely man. And I still believe that’s what he’d want if he could sort out his feelings. That’s why I don’t give up.
Re: a comment on Sauvignon by Dovina	17-Mar-05/8:09 AM
Whether I could tell the difference is not even addressed in the poem, nor does it make any difference.
Re: a comment on JJ’s Church by Dovina	17-Mar-05/7:52 AM
The pretzels or breadsticks substitute for flesh of a dying person. In the church sacrament, bread substitutes for, and identifies the worshiper with, the body of Jesus. In the bar, I was thinking of my own death, but thought the poem would ramble too much if I went into that.
Re: a comment on Apostrophetic Loss by Dovina	17-Mar-05/7:40 AM
I always use words I know not the meaning of. And he rambled without sense.
Re: "America The Beautiful" by jroday	17-Mar-05/7:37 AM
According to tradition, it's the young who raise rabble and carry signs with four letter words and protest everything the establishment is doing. Unless you're younger than I think, we have here an exception, an atypical bandstaner, a non-stereotype. Rant on!
Re: a comment on A Plea To The Mother(Mother Earth) by Rainbow_chaser	17-Mar-05/7:30 AM
Did someone say strength is found in non-strength or in weakness? Funny, I didn't notice anyone saying that. And by the way, adult sentient beings think without words.
Re: a comment on The Measurement by thepinkbunnyofdoom	16-Mar-05/7:21 AM
So did she. You've been toyed with.
Re: a comment on A Plea To The Mother(Mother Earth) by Rainbow_chaser	16-Mar-05/7:13 AM
You've described a lot of folks here, I think. There's strength in admitting weakness, but slaughter too. Just a warning about the wolves. As for your writing, it has poetntial, I think, but try going over it a few more times, sitting on it a a day or two before posting. There are some obvious errors in this and some repetitions that I could point out, but which you will find if you go over it a few more times. Hang in.
Re: a comment on Delusions Of A Peaceful Place by Stacy Stewart	16-Mar-05/6:54 AM
A bad trip, a delusion, a hoped-for victory lost.
Re: a comment on JJ’s Church by Dovina	16-Mar-05/6:31 AM
The waiters are more related to ushers, I think, than elders. I used the idea of transubstantiation in “sip the blood” but might try to work the word in too.
Re: Burnt by Dreammaker1024	15-Mar-05/1:04 PM
Delilah was needed to cut Sampson's hair. Judas was needed to betray Jesus. Two thieves needed to be crucified beside Him. So it seems. Try spacing this out and defining the thoughts into verses, and then see if it really makes sense, or maybe a step toward something else.
Re: a comment on JJ’s Church by Dovina	15-Mar-05/12:38 PM
Funny, I wasn’t laughing when I ate the bread and wrote the line.
Re: a comment on JJ’s Church by Dovina	15-Mar-05/12:37 PM
That’s ok. I don’t expect everyone to relate events the way I do or remember traumas and pleasures so similar to mine that connections pop up spontaneously in the same way they do for me. Maybe the reason I write so many poems, and so many of them are not understood is that my history is more tangled in incongruities than most. It’s comments like yours that show me a need to get beyond the place of feeling a connection to the place where I can relate it someone of different background. I was sitting at a bar one evening recently, the only customer in the place, while Sheala, the bartender, dealt me the comforting talk a bartender is supposed to. It’s her profession to serve wine and comfort, and she did it with the concern and dedication of a church pastor. The bar seemed like a pulpit in my youthful church, and the waiters setting tables in the adjoining restaurant seemed like the elders, admittedly a stretch. Watching over everything was Rose, the proprietor. There’s a deep connection between bar emotions and church emotions. Check it out sometime when you’re in either place.
Re: a comment on Apostrophetic Loss by Dovina	15-Mar-05/7:06 AM
No. Is that the sort of direct answer you want? Frame a question to kill the person you "love"? Oh, yes, you said "measure of my love" Sorry.
Re: a comment on Sauvignon by Dovina	15-Mar-05/7:02 AM
Yes