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Apostrophetic Loss (Free verse) by Dovina
Its an ambiguous shame doesnt matter theyve said tove lost jot and tittle period and dash for colloquialisms sake Renegade poet comedians Youd stop it but cant your uncool theyd say dims the word havent a clue to incrowds code Theydve cut vowels too but couldnt agree on clubs slang so theyve invented bow’ls instead broken cool rules makin other language its my it your it its a shame all its its and theyve needed only it Apostrophes end or apostrophetic loss’

Up the ladder: diamond of love
Down the ladder: I Sleep

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Posted: March 10, 2005 7:28 AM PST; Last modified: March 10, 2005 7:28 AM PST
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[9] INTRANSIT @ 64.12.116.67 | 10-Mar-05/12:08 PM | Reply
Eats shoots leaves
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.6.133 > INTRANSIT | 10-Mar-05/12:12 PM | Reply
Eats shoots' leaves? Whatever for?
[9] INTRANSIT @ 64.12.116.138 > Dovina | 10-Mar-05/12:17 PM | Reply
Surely you've heard of that book, no?
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.6.133 > INTRANSIT | 10-Mar-05/12:21 PM | Reply
No, but I just checked it on Google - looks interesting. Ive probably reinvented a lumpy wheel.
[9] INTRANSIT @ 64.12.116.138 > Dovina | 10-Mar-05/12:25 PM | Reply
Maybe, but at least you're trying to help with the "rounding" of others. I have a copy and it's humorous, factual, and useful.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.6.133 > INTRANSIT | 10-Mar-05/12:28 PM | Reply
lol. And "sharpening" others.
[8] richa @ 81.178.193.41 | 10-Mar-05/2:16 PM | Reply
I think you need to stop being so angry. The anger in this poem is the worst type of anger, dull anger. All this talk of in-crowd and rules, dull, dull, dull and the least said about the ending the better. The first verse was quite well constructed I thought, the poem did lose its discipline afterwards though.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.3.100 > richa | 10-Mar-05/3:37 PM | Reply
I’m sorry you detected anger here. I wrote it with a touch of sarcasm to be sure, but in a jesting mood. Yes, some of the in-crowd conformities here on poemranker seem silly and need a jab occasionally, but nobody in her right mind expects to change anything, so anger is senseless.
I’m also sorry you found it dull, dull, dull, or maybe you meant the “in-crowd rules” not the poem. In any case it got some attention, and that’s more than I can say for “The Hawk.”
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > Dovina | 10-Mar-05/5:37 PM | Reply
Your just moody because you're incrowd consists of you, jroday and al-naafiysh. And let's not forget that jroday and al-naafiysh are two individuals who took time out of their busy schedules to discuss whether or not an individual black person was more diverse than an individual white person. You can't get more bow'ls than that.
[5] zodiac @ 212.118.11.13 | 11-Mar-05/10:05 PM | Reply
Colloquialisms usually don't use apostrophes - they're spoken. On the odd instance when they're written, they're written with apostrophes. I think you just mean another word.

And what the hell are you talking about? The "renegade poet comedians" (except Jeremi) are the only ones writing correct grammar here.

PS-Bow'ls is a real word and real usage. Bet you've got no rebuttal but "Your unsupported"! Whatever.
[5] zodiac @ 212.118.11.13 | 12-Mar-05/4:27 AM | Reply
"But Woods' critics on the right belong to what might be called the conservative elite—neoconservatives and libertarians — whereas Hannity, Buchanan, and the radio talk-show hosts are, like their most fervid followers, essentially populist. Whatever jabs they may take at the liberal media or at academia, conservative elites, like their (elite) liberal adversaries (and here I'm generalizing), harbor an underlying respect for the values of higher education, science, reason, and expertise. Conservative populists, on the other hand, more often exhibit scorn for intellectual authority altogether.

For a while now, conservative elites have made common cause, sometimes cynically, with populist anti-intellectuals. Once upon a time, the original neoconservatives — the academics and intellectuals around the journal the Public Interest — rested their critiques of liberalism on penetrating social science scholarship and attacked the left for preferring bleeding-heart sentiment to polemical rigor. But now the Public Interest is defunct, and in the Bush years, conservatism has embraced not only the familiar ridicule of the eggheads but a rejection of the very legitimacy of independent, nonpartisan expert authority. The wisdom of legal professionals, such as those in the American Bar Association, is now denied, and, since George Bush took office, no longer used by the White House in evaluating candidates for federal judgeships. Mainstream journalism, such as that in the major newspapers and network news shows, is deemed liberal, slanted, and unreliable. The faith-based belief in creationism, enjoying renewed support of late, is accorded equal (or greater) weight as the scientific theory of evolution."

- www.slate.com/id/2114713/
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.5.43 > zodiac | 12-Mar-05/6:59 AM | Reply
Opinionated spillage. So what?
[5] zodiac @ 212.118.11.13 > Dovina | 12-Mar-05/10:38 PM | Reply
1) Would you say you're more, or less, opinionated than other people?

2) Hey, thanks for pointing out that it's biased. I might have gone the rest of my life believing slate.com was a fair and balanced news source.

3) Unfortunately it's biased toward the side you're supposed to be on (pretty moderate liberalism), and it still thinks you're one of them.

4) And Slate writers are about a dozen times smarter than you.

5) I would be horrified at the suggestion (from anyone, really, except you) that I was either a hopeless conservative hick or shared qualities with hopeless conservative hicks. But then, I'm not the one the article's describing. You are.

6) And thanks a lot for demonstrating how bow'ls isn't a real usage, how the "renegade poet comedians" you hate now are somehow different from the stuffy bastions of conservative poetry you hated a few months ago, or anything else to justify anything in this post. You're a total clod when it comes to arguing anything.
[5] zodiac @ 212.118.11.13 > Dovina | 12-Mar-05/11:08 PM | Reply
And PS-If you were ever seriously confronted by the possibility that we weren't some roving gange of hooligans unreasonably banded together against you, but instead were sincerely and independently disgusted at the amount of muck illogic, bad grammar, email-forward subphilosophy, cronyism, and simply awful poetry you perpetrate on this site, would you jump screaming into your own uterus? I bet you would.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.12.111 > zodiac | 13-Mar-05/6:24 AM | Reply
What a lumbering flourish of hackneyed circumlocution. Never have I seen so little said in so many unsupported words.
[5] zodiac @ 212.118.11.13 > Dovina | 14-Mar-05/9:27 PM | Reply
You've really gone too far this time. What do you mean by "unsupported words"? Do you mean they're not supportable as words? Of course they are. I get them from thesaurus.com, same as you. And nothing on the internet is unsupportable. Do you mean the statement they comprise is unsupportable? Whatever! It's not a statement, you retard, it's a fucking question.

Will you bother to answer it if I ask more concisely? Fine, and this is yet another measure of my love for you:

If you learned that we weren't unreasonably making fun of you, but were instead all reasonably and on our own initiatives making fun of you for being the silliest person ever, wouldn't you just die?
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.2.254 > zodiac | 15-Mar-05/7:06 AM | Reply
No. Is that the sort of direct answer you want? Frame a question to kill the person you "love"? Oh, yes, you said "measure of my love" Sorry.
[5] zodiac @ 212.118.11.13 > Dovina | 16-Mar-05/9:22 PM | Reply
Yes. Thank you.
[0] edpeterson @ 68.79.58.40 > Dovina | 17-Mar-05/7:36 AM | Reply
do you know what the word "hackneyed" means? From this previous post, I would guess not.

What exactly are you accusing Z of circumlocuting? Is he skirting some central point in order to avoid having to address it?
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.5.123 > edpeterson | 17-Mar-05/7:40 AM | Reply
I always use words I know not the meaning of. And he rambled without sense.
[5] zodiac @ 212.118.19.192 > Dovina | 18-Mar-05/9:13 PM | Reply
Can I suggest something?

The basis for your saying I don't make any sense is pretty much 'I, Dovina, say so.'

The basis for your saying you're not sexist, racist, or anythingelse-ist is definitely 'I, Dovina, say so.'

Doesn't that seem like a pretty weak thing to base your whole conception of things on?
[5] zodiac @ 212.118.19.192 | 18-Mar-05/9:41 PM | Reply
And can we get back to the poem for a minute?

1) There's no connection between inappropriate apostrophe use and "renegade poet comedians" on poemranker except that two (maybe three) of them sometimes write "you're" as "your". They don't do that because they've got a problem with apostrophes; they do it because they're making fun of everybody on the site who confuses them all the time. In any event, that wouldn't be an apostrophe problem; it would be an apostrophe-AND-misspelling problem.

2) Again, colloquialisms and apostrophes are not necessarily related. Wherever colloquialisms ARE written, they're written with apostrophes. In fact, most colloquialisms are written with more apostrophes than standard English, as exemplified by the colloquialisms at this helpful site, Black Country Sayings: http://www.sedgleymanor.com...

3) "Renegade poet comedians"??? It seems like just a little while ago you were calling them stuffy bastions of conservative poetry. Anyway, are you aware of what a TOTAL REVERSAL that is? And I bet if I comment on someone's punctuation today, you'll be back on how I'm keeping poetic experimenters down with my strict adherence to Victorian standards. Without realizing you've spun so fast, you've left your britches still traveling in the opposite direction.

4) "dim" was the word about six months ago. Since then I've gone through periods of using "bum", "Retard Islam", and god knows what else. So, way to keep up! Glad to hear "dim" hurt the most, though!

5) There is no incrowd. No one says anyone's uncool on this site. Except me - I say you're uncool.

6) Bow'ls is an appropriate (though archaic) usage. Otherwise you'd have to pronounce it with two syllables. Anyway, no one here invented it.

7) By the way, bow'ls is SO two years ago.

8) As far as I can recall, no "renegade poet comedian" on this site has ever used dropped g's (ie, "makin") for a gag. You, however did affect an accent for an entire comment once (here: http://www.poemranker.com/poem-details.jsp?id=119983), so are you insane?

9) I'd say the "it" part is about me since I overuse it in my comments here, but you'll just say I'm totally unsupported it's about someone else, so whatever. I do have a problem overusing it on this site. If that's what you're talking about, good one.

10) In short, this poem is totally crap, not a poem, and grounded in some lunatic assumption that everyone on this site except blacksoul, al-nafiysh, and Dan g-B is unreasonably out to get you. I'm serious, that's what lunatics think.

If you're going to respond, "what a bunch of drivel i couldn't be bothered to read it or whatever", please don't. For one, it just makes you look like you're intimidated by reading more than a dozen words at a time. And for another thing, I went to the trouble of putting it in handy bullet-point format to avoid exactly that problem. Hey, thanks for paying attention!
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.13.18 > zodiac | 19-Mar-05/9:15 PM | Reply
1) Okay, I’ve hyperbolized. But certain renegade poet comedians seem to get a kick out of butchering the language to impress the incrowd. Call it making fun, but it’s just silly. And in case you wish to say that I am silly in other ways – admitted.

2) Colloquialisms and apostrophes go together sometimes, sometimes not. I don’t see how that’s related to anything.

3) Apparently you have concluded that “stuffy bastions of conservative poetry” are the same people as “renegade poet comedians” in my estimation. I hadn’t thought of it that way, but maybe they are so inconsistent as to be so. Thank you for that inspiration.

4) Have I use a passé word, “dim”? It just shows how out-of-touch I am with incrowd norms.

5) Many people on this site besides you say I am uncool, dim, dimtard or whatever the “in” terminology may be at the time. If there is no incrowd, how do you explain your comments at http://poemranker.com/poem-details.jsp;jsessionid=aweLoUJ7fS59?id=121987

6) But they use it.
7) They still use it.

8) I affect many atrocities. This is only one.

9) I should take credit when you admit a fault after I point it out. That’s the slanderous, incroud way to act. But I was not thinking of you when I wrote that.

10) No, I don’t think you are out to get me. Heck, if I leave, you’d have only CLS to pick on. So show me just enough respect that I don’t leave.
[5] zodiac @ 212.38.134.51 > Dovina | 20-Mar-05/2:27 AM | Reply
1) Speaking for myself, I get a kick out of butchering people who butcher the language. Do you see the difference? I bet not. And can you respond to this string without referencing your imaginary "incrowd"? There's surely an argument even without, but I bet you can't think of it. Or are too hung up on your playground-flashback bully-fantasies to want to.

2) Um, how about, "lost jot and tittle period and dash for colloquialisms sake"? Anyway, it occurs to me that whether or not you find a colloquialism without apostrophes, periods, or dashes, you've still lost. Dropping punctuation doesn't make something necessarily colloquial or more colloquial. They're just not related, and you're probably just using the wrong word.

3) What the fuck?

4) No incrowd, sorry.

5) dim and uncool are unrelated. Um, I don't explain them. I was being sarcastic.

6) Latecomers use it. If I do sometimes it's because I'm lazy.

7) ibid.

8) What the fuck?

9) I don't think you have a very good idea about anything, incrowdish or not.

10) I'd hate for you to leave. If I've ever suggested anything of the kind, I'm truly sorry.

PS-Thanks for answering my points. It bothers me to no end when people don't.
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