Re: a comment on Oh Merry Fay (part 1) by ALChemy	Dovina 17.255.240.206	13-Dec-05/3:57 PM
Are you saying that because I have no clue what you are saying that I get it?
Re: a comment on CHRISTMAS EVERYDAY by amanda_dcosta	Dovina 17.255.240.206	13-Dec-05/3:54 PM
Please do not allow zodiac to cause sorrow. You may write in whatever style you wish and in promotion of whatever opinions you have. I wish, though, that you would reconsider lines like "Baby Jesus, true and sweet," for what they are really saying. I would not like to see you not give up any of your beliefs, but rather think deeply about how you might convey them in meaningful ways to folks who may differ. I look foreward to seeing your more recent poems. The ones from 1996 must be inferior to what you are writing now.
Re: You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet	Dovina 17.255.240.206	13-Dec-05/3:44 PM
If you wish to debate zodiac, and I must admit he's strangly nonsensical game sometimes, please do not do it by posting a "poem." I gave you a 0, not because your areguments are bad (They are pretty good) but because it is not a poem. Thanks for listening.
Re: a comment on I saw Your Face Last Night by Dovina	Dovina 17.255.240.206	13-Dec-05/3:38 PM
It's not a language I speak well - love. The kiddieposters are often better at it than I. I think that being close to something makes me a lesser poet at it until the thing settles into some sensible and kind of mysterious solid.
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	Dovina 17.255.240.206	13-Dec-05/3:35 PM
Past tense is better, and I've already done that. I hate posting revisions though. The last stanze makes such clever use of the God/wad rhyme, that I really deserve a 9 just for that.
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	Dovina 17.255.240.206	13-Dec-05/3:31 PM
As a "typical American" I want unequality, if that means freedom.
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	Dovina 17.255.240.206	13-Dec-05/3:30 PM
Yes, I see what you're saying. When I am strongly emotional about something, it is not easy to find any part of me that is not emotioinal. But I try to pull that observer part aside and let her look impartially at the emotional me. It's not easy, which is why you say that if I am successful, I probably am not realy emotional, but my usual dicotomy of emotion and logic. All I ask is that you try it next time you feel fully emotioinally involved in something. It takes practice and discipline. I hope you can get past thinking it's impossible.
Re: You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet	zodiac 69.132.67.140	13-Dec-05/3:20 PM
(1) None of us has denied that there are very intelligent poor people and very stupid rich people. Personally, I'm glad you're smart. Our real difference of opinion is I hold that ON AVERAGE wealthy people are more intelligent than poor people ON AVERAGE. You've offered nothing to dispute that. (2) Naturally, IQ scoring is subjective. AlChemy and I have already pointed out how in the original string. I disagree with your other points in (2), for reasons I've already given. (3) But richer families are proven to be better at providing "stimulating, nurturing environments" ON AVERAGE. Again, I'm glad you had a good environment. But wealthier families are better able to afford an unemployed (or constantly available) parent, a nanny, or good childcare and preschool, while poorer families, traditionally, can't. I should add that my family is not one of those wealthier ones; my parents both worked long hours and extra jobs, and I got dumped in awful, spirit-crushing childcare most of my youth. At any rate, a nurturing environment does TYPICALLY cost money. (4) The average income of a Jordanian is $200 per month. With that amount, Jordanian families, although usually large, can afford to provide for all the basic necessities. In addition, most have satellite TV and many have their own cars. All that nonwithstanding, Jordan is a poor country - though the gap between Jordanians and, say, Americans in terms of both wealth and intelligence is HUGE. As is the gap between Jordanians and survivalists. (5) I've seen people pounding the earth with sticks for food. I've also seen these people: http://www.deere.com/en_GB/forestry/forestry_equipment/product_development/research.html . I guarantee you the bulk of the people running that have servants. (6) re "I get the impression from your statements that you believe all the poor to be of low intelligence in your Arab countries, as well as other poor countries." No. I believe most of them are, but that's beside the point. As far as this argument's concerned, I believe that ON AVERAGE Arabs are not as intelligent as Americans ON AVERAGE. That means, suppose the following Arabs score the following scores on a totally made up intelligence test: AHMAD - 8 MOHAMMAD - 10 HAMD - 2 TAMER - 4 SULTAN - 7 ...and the following Americans score these scores on the same made-up test: JOHN - 9 GARY - 9 STU - 2 VIRGIL - 5 LORENZO - 7 ...then ON AVERAGE Arabs have an intelligence of 6.2 and Americans have an intelligence of 6.4. This is what I believe to be the case. Does that mean Mohammad isn't smarter than all the Americans tested? No. Does it even mean that more Americans scored higher than 6 on the test than Arabs? No. That's all I'm saying. Sorry to belabor this, but poets seem to have a hard time getting averages. (7) The poor settlers coming to America probably innovated so much because almost immediately upon arriving in America they became much better off than they had been in their home countries. Keep in mind that they didn't innovate more than people today innovate; they just innovated more than other people at their time innovated. (8) I don't understand the rest of your comment (or see how it relates much to our topic.) I hope this explains my position better. Thanks for taking the time to debate! zodiac
Re: a comment on War (edit) by zodiac	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	13-Dec-05/2:54 PM
We just had a bunch out there last week. I'll try to make bear noises while he sleeps.
Re: a comment on War (edit) by zodiac	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	13-Dec-05/2:48 PM
Whatever it was about I'm sure we'd probably not live up to our hype. I'm sure it would sound something like: Z:"So your Alchemy." A:"Yep, I'm Alchemy" Z: "Cool." A: "So your Zodiac" Z: "Yep, I'm Zodiac" A: "Cool." Z: "Um, well gotta go." A: "Good luck. See ya on Poemranker." Z: "You too. Have a good one."
Re: a comment on War (edit) by zodiac	zodiac 69.132.67.140	13-Dec-05/2:39 PM
My little bro will be one of the first camped out for Championship tickets. Give him hell.
Re: a comment on War (edit) by zodiac	zodiac 69.132.67.140	13-Dec-05/2:38 PM
Aside from endlessly fantasizing about meeting Dovina, I've never really considered meeting another poemranker user. Maybe you'll be the first. But whatever would we talk about?
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	zodiac 69.132.67.140	13-Dec-05/2:36 PM
A more powerful stupidity, certainly. A stockbroker makes a bad decision and people starve. Tim Burton remakes a great old movie and people suffer. It's a terrible burden, wealth, I'm sure.
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	wilco 24.92.74.122	13-Dec-05/2:34 PM
see..I got paid today and now I can't spell awesome.
Re: a comment on War (edit) by zodiac	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	13-Dec-05/2:33 PM
I work at the UNCC (Nothing scholarly though) at the Student Activity Center ie. Basketball arena. I think Me and Lil both migrated here from PA. I was drawn by all the high paying jobs only to find out there was a high cost of living and stingy state government policies waiting for us. I took a state job so that I was at least getting a little less screwed than everyone else. Still it beats the hopelessness of living in PA. I lived below a guy from Alaska. He was like something out of the old west. He lived in the woods and mined for gold and was missing most of his teeth. I hope the temperature and culture change doesn't kill you. You couldn't get any farther from the middle east. If while your in Charlotte you see a gold Grand Am and a guy with a yellow cap, honk your horn.
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	wilco 24.92.74.122	13-Dec-05/2:33 PM
It seems to me that "wealth, money" are more often than not, the cause of amesome stupidity.
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	zodiac 69.132.67.140	13-Dec-05/2:28 PM
That's all well and good, and I'm as egotist (or egoist, I always forget which,) as the next guy. But what would you say if I suggested that your future is very much in the hands of those people you refuse to feed? (Don't believe me? What are you paying for gas recently?) What if the odds are very high that you or someone you know will be blown up by some worthless guy you didn't hand out to? Are handouts justfied if they might prevent that?
Re: Miggy by Everyone	wilco 24.92.74.122	13-Dec-05/2:28 PM
Good lord, man, this must be a dastardly hoax perpetrated by The Man in an attempt to discredit Miggy as a serious poet and songwriter.
Re: I Remember Thinking by BrandonW	wilco 24.92.74.122	13-Dec-05/2:12 PM
It's just that it's really just a letter to some chick..not really a poem.
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	Everyone 69.132.67.140	13-Dec-05/2:11 PM
Do you mind my asking, how old are you?