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Observer (Free verse) by Dovina
I observe a mind with facets watch its anger swell and dwindle see its joy flap high, then flounder inhale a smile while passions kindle Detached and free to lend critique I watch an actor come of age capture each new scene in wonder can’t wait to turn the page Through all, I do not tamper play moralist or God for that would cut my pleasure and make this poem a wad

Up the ladder: Inane Muttering
Down the ladder: My Soul is Stopping

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Posted: December 9, 2005 11:07 AM PST; Last modified: December 9, 2005 11:07 AM PST
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[10] zodiac @ 69.132.67.140 | 9-Dec-05/11:26 AM | Reply
From a poetry standpoint, I'd simply make all these verbs past tense and fix the rhythm in the last half. Otherwise, good - from a poetry standpoint.

From a morality standpoint, as corrupt as ever.
[10] zodiac @ 69.132.67.140 > zodiac | 9-Dec-05/11:30 AM | Reply
Kidding.

Did you know I'm back in America? This country's not ready for my brand of craziness.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > zodiac | 9-Dec-05/11:44 AM | Reply
Perhaps both of your standpoints are grounded upon a difference of viewpoint. Morality would come into play if I (the observer) were looking at someone else. Past tense would make sense if I were remembering history. Since the observer and the observed are both parts of the same person (as I was thinking when I wrote it) the scene is ongoing, both past and present.

I think we each have a part of ourselves that remains detached and open to whatever emerges within our lives. When the mind becomes used to such disconnected freedom, previously suppressed feelings may surface and can be evaluated objectively. I try to calmly observe without judgment. Each emotion will pass like a cloud in the sky to this observer part of me. When I truly become present without judgment, serene acceptance and deep contentment follow.

The converse is also true. If I judge myself harshly, condemn or punish for imagined failings, I undermine contentment. It’s part of an ongoing process of accepting myself with the same compassion I would show a child.
[10] zodiac @ 69.132.67.140 > Dovina | 9-Dec-05/11:53 AM | Reply
"Beware of the present tense."

- Peter Davison, Poetry Editor of The Atlantic Monthly.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > zodiac | 9-Dec-05/12:15 PM | Reply
I see that it would sound more somber and mysterious in past tense. I just might do that.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.151.150.39 > Dovina | 10-Dec-05/3:09 PM | Reply
I'm sure it's a pleasant feeling to divorce yourself from all responsibility. It's also the last thing this world needs. Condemnation. Punishment. Lowliness. Until you've grown up, that should be your motto. What possible good will come from shamelessly patting yourself on the back?
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 10-Dec-05/3:21 PM | Reply
As an observer of myself, I do not divorce myself from responsibility. How could you be so naïve as to deduce that? “Condemnation. Punishment. Lowliness.”? How on earth do you gather such conclusions from a person observing herself? Whether you mean them as recommendations or observations doesn’t matter. The observer within me does not “pat herself on the back.” You score 0 for 3.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.151.150.39 > Dovina | 10-Dec-05/6:22 PM | Reply
"When I truly become present without judgment, serene acceptance and deep contentment follow."

Of course you feel contented. You've deliberately chosen to ignore all your failings in exchange for peace of mind. If observing without judgment isn't divorcing oneself from responsibility, then what is it? It's judgment that separates decent, hardworking people from cockneys. If everyone went around serenely accepting themselves, the incentive for correcting dysfunctional behaviour would have to come from outside. Clearly you aren't old enough to live in anything other than a nanny state. Quite frankly, I'm ashamed of you.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Dec-05/12:38 PM | Reply
I’m afraid you have chosen to confuse two obviously different things. Obviously, for two reasons - because the poem does not imply your assertion - and again because I already told you this. Still, I try for patience in these matters and will address your comment. This partly due to your expressed admiration shown through a slight deviation you describe as being ashamed of me.

The serenity of which I speak results from separating myself from myself to the extent that I observe my emotions without judgment. After having done this, I find myself in position to evaluate my actions and emotions and to make corrections if needed. These are the two processes, which you have chosen to unite and call, “ignore all your failings in exchange for peace of mind.” If you would like further information, I recommend, “Contentment – Wisdom from around the world,” by Gillian Stokes, not alone by any means, as many of us from many perspectives have reached this conclusion.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.151.150.39 > Dovina | 11-Dec-05/1:35 PM | Reply
You're talking a load of bollocks. I doubt you've even thought deeply enough about "serene acceptance" to treat it as anything other than a cosy way looking at life. It was only when I pointed out its moral bankruptcy that you had to start spouting things like, "No I actually look at myself without judgment in phase 1, then I look at myself with judgement in phase 2." Well good for you. I look at myself WITH judgement in ALL phases, which is why I've achieved a greater degree of moral excellence than you. The whole "acceptance" exercise is an abdication designed to make you feel better about yourself. "If I judge myself harshly, condemn or punish for imagined failings, I undermine contentment." Of course you undermine contentment. That's what punishment is all about.

You're right about one thing, though: many people have reached the same conclusion as you. They're called Cockneys, and if any of them could read, I'm sure they'd have whole shelves full of Gillian Stokes self-help claptrap.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Dec-05/2:16 PM | Reply
Apparently, you have looked at yourself “with judgment in ALL phases” and find yourself excellent in all. Congratulations on your feeling of moral excellence. You must feel very content in that knowledge. If I were to mention the concept of delusion in this connection, you would say it does not apply to you because you are morally excellent and therefore free from delusion. So I’ll only say that when I back away from myself and observe, I often find moral and other imperfections, (things that are not excellent), and I find that my initial apartness and nonjudgment aid in deriving solutions.
Have a contented day.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.151.150.39 > Dovina | 11-Dec-05/6:07 PM | Reply
My higher level of moral excellence has come about through years of self-imposed discipline. I took to moralizing and reading the Bible from a very young age, and this has made me an excellent judge of moral inferiority. I can quickly spot flaws in my own character, and in the appalling characters of Cockneys. There's no easy way out of moral imperfection. It demands a punishing schedule of introspection and self-degradation. Not the sort of timid, parping-about-when-someone-calls-you-naughty, self-accepting, middle-shelf, look-at-me-I'm-weak, look-at-you-you're-arrogant, trumped-up, spastics-are-people-too, constructive-criticism-only-please codswallop you get from reading Gillian Stokes books. Call me old-fashioned, but my moral system is built on more serious foundations: personal experience, Biblical scripture, heightened spiritual awareness, and Native American wisdom.

You've gone completely barking, anyway. How do you find imperfections without performing an act of judgement? Oh wait that happens in phase 2. So what's the point in phase 1? Oh I get it. Phase 1 establishes a mechanism of serene acceptance and contentment -- both important prerequisites for any self-flagellation ceremony!
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 20-Dec-05/4:25 PM | Reply
I am sorry that you have gone through such “a punishing schedule of introspection and self-degradation” to achieve “moral excellence.” You have, of course, in the process, defined morality to a fine degree of specificity; otherwise, you would not have suffered degradation, at the expense of pleasure, in obtaining it. It should therefore not be too much of an imposition to ask for a clear concise definition of morality as you have come to understand it.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Dec-05/2:58 PM | Reply
I apologize for deleting your comment, zodiac. I accidentally hit the little red x.
Here it is to my recollection:

Zodiac: Would you mind clarifying what you mean be "I observe my emotions"? Do you mean that some part of you which is not, say, angry, looks at the angry part without itself feeling anger? Can you really properly say you're angry in that instance? I would really, genuinely, care to understand, but all I come up with is that you're kind of muddy on the idea of emotions in general. For instance:
-=Dark_Angel=-,P.I.: I judge myself to be excellent.
DOVINA: I'm glad you *FEEL* excellent.
-=Dark_Angel=-,P.I.: You are a guff cozy of rather dim emotions.
DOVINA: I'm excellent.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > Dovina | 11-Dec-05/3:00 PM | Reply
I admitted I am not excellent in everything. Why do you say, “DOVINA: I'm excellent.”?

In deference to your sensibilities, I would change one sentence in my response to DA. I would change “Congratulations on your feeling of moral excellence” to “Congratulations on your determination of moral excellence. The next sentence, “You must feel very content in that knowledge.” I would not change.

As for standing apart from my angry self, it takes discipline and practice. You should try it.
[10] zodiac @ 69.132.67.140 > Dovina | 11-Dec-05/3:55 PM | Reply
1) The last line of every fake dialogue should be utter silliness. That's the only way.

2) That's fine with me.

3) If some not-angry part of me was "observing" an angry part of me, I'd say I wasn't really angry. I honestly (and not-snarkily) can't see how it could be otherwise.
[10] zodiac @ 69.132.67.140 > zodiac | 11-Dec-05/3:56 PM | Reply
I should add that I almost never consider myself angry.
[n/a] Dovina @ 66.13.145.210 > zodiac | 12-Dec-05/2:50 PM | Reply
It takes practice. Try it next time you're angry, or elated, or passionate. It really does give different, often humerous, ideas about the situation and about yourself.
[10] zodiac @ 69.132.67.140 > Dovina | 12-Dec-05/2:51 PM | Reply
Yes, I'm trying to say I do the same thing, only much more less-complicatedly and fewer silly names. Perhaps that's why mine works.
[n/a] Dovina @ 66.13.145.210 > zodiac | 12-Dec-05/2:55 PM | Reply
Well ok, but you just said you didn't. Whatever. Try a conscious effort at being an observer of yourself next time.
[10] zodiac @ 69.132.67.140 > Dovina | 12-Dec-05/3:02 PM | Reply
The difference is, as I understand it, is this -

DOVINA: Look at me. I'm angry.

ZODIAC: I'm looking at me. I must not really be angry. If I were really angry, I probably wouldn't be capable of looking at myself. I'm sure glad I'm not angry (or even partly angry) practically ever.

What I think you're talking about is detachment from your CIRCUMSTANCES (ie, the situation doesn't make you uncontrollably sad, angry, or whatever), but you've somehow morphed it into detachment from YOUR EMOTIONS (ie, you're sad or angry but simultaneously not sad, angry, etc). You've probably done that because you have all sorts of odd notions about emotions, objectivity, and yourself existing in different realms, instead of all being part of that wonderful package that is Dovina. That's what I've been asking about.
[n/a] Dovina @ 17.255.240.206 > zodiac | 13-Dec-05/3:30 PM | Reply
Yes, I see what you're saying. When I am strongly emotional about something, it is not easy to find any part of me that is not emotioinal. But I try to pull that observer part aside and let her look impartially at the emotional me. It's not easy, which is why you say that if I am successful, I probably am not realy emotional, but my usual dicotomy of emotion and logic.

All I ask is that you try it next time you feel fully emotioinally involved in something. It takes practice and discipline. I hope you can get past thinking it's impossible.
[10] deleted user @ 204.97.18.121 | 9-Dec-05/5:41 PM | Reply
I love the rhythm to this poem. It was a pleasant read--nice work.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > deleted user | 10-Dec-05/3:23 PM | Reply
Thanks, Paul.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.151.150.39 > deleted user | 11-Dec-05/1:48 PM | Reply
Thank you, Paul.
[10] ALChemy @ 24.74.101.159 | 10-Dec-05/5:01 AM | Reply
Back in good form D.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.32.104 > ALChemy | 10-Dec-05/3:22 PM | Reply
Actually, smaller than D, but thanks.
[10] ALChemy @ 24.74.101.159 > Dovina | 11-Dec-05/4:37 PM | Reply
Sorry, OK -d-.
[10] zodiac @ 69.132.67.140 | 12-Dec-05/7:40 PM | Reply
"Americans are so enamoured of equality they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."
[n/a] Dovina @ 17.255.240.206 > zodiac | 13-Dec-05/3:31 PM | Reply
As a "typical American" I want unequality, if that means freedom.
[7] wilco @ 24.92.74.122 | 13-Dec-05/1:17 PM | Reply
I think putting it in the past tense would definitely add to it. Also, I'm not really digging the last stanza (mainly the last line). First two stanzas are a 9 but the last drops it tro a 7.
[n/a] Dovina @ 17.255.240.206 > wilco | 13-Dec-05/3:35 PM | Reply
Past tense is better, and I've already done that. I hate posting revisions though.

The last stanze makes such clever use of the God/wad rhyme, that I really deserve a 9 just for that.
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