thepinkbunnyofdoom
on Prayer For The Church by sliver
2 Apr 2005, 10:32 PM
I won't vote because I respect the church, but I'm used to better from you. MUCH BETTER.
<3 Jason
LOL, not really. There are better and brighter here.
<3 Jason
thanks bunny, just having you look at it is an honor.
I am an elephant, with claustrophobia of the blowhole
No, you said we should âembrace accepting false propositions.â Then while I was writing my response, you changed it to ârejecting.â Thatâs why my comment is posted three times under Comments and only once in the Poemâs comments. Now, you want me to admit that I overlooked something.
Truth sometimes comes from unreliable sources of information. I think we agree on that. I hope so, because if your overcomplicated analogy means otherwise, then we have again reached an impasse.
Your defense of a race of Liars fails because for every truth there is not necessarily an opposite, but often many untruths the liar could use to create utter confusion.
You oversimplify my definition of closed minded. If I had said that âall propositions uttered by an unreliable source are falseâ then I would have to say that if an unreliable source said to a closed minded person that 1+1=2, that person would call it false. No, a closed mind rejects information it determines false or unimportant based on criteria such as the race, sex, or religion. It rejects information because of the source or the manner of presentation rather than content. It does not necessarily reject obviously true information from the unreliable source, but rejects most offerings out of hand. Such people are racist, sexist, etc.
You feel "completely and truly" in a place of "false consciousness" and "mental hibernation"... hmm -- you seem unsure of what you're trying to say. But it seems you're talking about daydreaming versus reality, and since you're listening to "a someone's inspiration," we can perhaps surmise that you're talking about idealistic daydreaming elicited by art, conversation, etc., and I suppose your final sentence is about making the world more like the ideals you imagine. Yes, these sentiments are fine, but with poetry, you should often attach them to something concrete or else the whole poem becomes nebulous and difficult to relate to. (While this isn't a law etched in stone, it will be a particularly good exercise for improving the shortcomings demonstrated in this poem.) The concrete situation or object to which you attach your sentiments becomes the medium by which you examine those sentiments. (An example of a hackneyed medium would be a rose to examine love.)
I meant diapason primarily in these two senses:
1. "a swelling sound, as of a grand burst of harmony." (OED)
2. "a rich, full, deep outburst of sound."
It's supposed to be as if a great outpouring from the soul cannot be contained in the body and must escape through the eyes in the form of tears. I also intended diapason in the sense:
3. "the whole range of tones or notes in the scale."
I thought it called to mind that her love was literally sounding the depths of my soul. But I'll still consider your suggestion. Thanks.
"A race of Liars is unimaginable. How could they communicate?"
By mentally negating every proposition they receive from a fellow Liar.
"You say we should âembrace accepting false propositions.â"
No, I said we should embrace REJECTING false propositions. Read it again.
"A closed mind does not necessarily make assertions based on insufficient evidence. There may be good evidence in a personâs thinking that Negroes are an unreliable source of information, for example. He is closed minded if he rejects information from that source."
Think about what we mean by 'reject' in this case. By rejecting a proposition P, do we assert that P is false, or merely that we do not know that it is true? Consider a computer program that inputs a proposition then randomly returns true or false. It is clearly an unreliable source of information. But that's not to say it is always wrong when it asserts a given proposition to be true. Clearly our assessment of whether or not the proposition is true is independent of any answer the computer gives us. And so it is with Negroes. Suppose there is sufficient evidence to conclude that Negroes are unreliable sources of information. Therefore in interpreting a Negro's remarks, we must rely on external knowledge before drawing any conclusions.
Your definition of a closed mind seems to be: any mind that asserts that all propositions uttered by an unreliable source are false. This is clearly an example of making assertions based on insufficient evidence. It's obvious that one shouldn't do it. Unless you live on Planet Gay.
thankyou
compltely agreed
i couldn't agree more
good for you
good job, you figured me out
and I have never actually read the great divorce, i only know about it because my father discussed in passing once
you probably know nothing about Spinoza, so how would you know what his G od is like, and you probably missed the reference to einstein, didn't you
(raises eyebrow): "apple-G's"?
(everyone over re-acts here,)
(I suspect most people just use this sight to let out their inner debater/ass-hole)
this is so beautiful
gave me chills
dancin_n_da_moonlite
replying on Zin/Enough/Things/Squeeze/Flow by gregsamsa222
2 Apr 2005, 10:54 AM
(you stole what i was going to say - on this poem and said it better)
I agree with everything he just said
this is one of the most beautiful things i have ever read, and the way it just kept me going from one part to the next is amazing, i usually dont like things this long but this is beauitufl
eww
not my style but its sounds nice