Re: donuts and such by skaskowski	11-Dec-05/2:41 PM
I was with you until "bedposts."
Re: Relics in Entropy by PsydewaysTears	11-Dec-05/2:32 PM
Some good images here, even if seemingly separate from any theme. I fail to see entropy, other than in the title.
Re: a comment on Due Consideration by Dovina	11-Dec-05/2:28 PM
No, disagreeing with me could be other things less disgusting.
Re: a comment on Due Consideration by Dovina	11-Dec-05/2:21 PM
To admit that conditions exist. To insist that conditions exist It's a difference between acceptance and adamance.
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	11-Dec-05/2:16 PM
Apparently, you have looked at yourself “with judgment in ALL phases” and find yourself excellent in all. Congratulations on your feeling of moral excellence. You must feel very content in that knowledge. If I were to mention the concept of delusion in this connection, you would say it does not apply to you because you are morally excellent and therefore free from delusion. So I’ll only say that when I back away from myself and observe, I often find moral and other imperfections, (things that are not excellent), and I find that my initial apartness and nonjudgment aid in deriving solutions. Have a contented day.
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	11-Dec-05/12:38 PM
I’m afraid you have chosen to confuse two obviously different things. Obviously, for two reasons - because the poem does not imply your assertion - and again because I already told you this. Still, I try for patience in these matters and will address your comment. This partly due to your expressed admiration shown through a slight deviation you describe as being ashamed of me. The serenity of which I speak results from separating myself from myself to the extent that I observe my emotions without judgment. After having done this, I find myself in position to evaluate my actions and emotions and to make corrections if needed. These are the two processes, which you have chosen to unite and call, “ignore all your failings in exchange for peace of mind.” If you would like further information, I recommend, “Contentment – Wisdom from around the world,” by Gillian Stokes, not alone by any means, as many of us from many perspectives have reached this conclusion.
Re: a comment on Due Consideration by Dovina	11-Dec-05/12:16 PM
Sad, knowing all we are is regurgitations, specks of excriment. The difference between us lies in admission or insistance, like Dark Angel, that we are in some way excellent.
Re: Hope by sliver	10-Dec-05/3:27 PM
I've seen that ribbon of ski tracks in the snow and it's said that somebody else is lost too or just maybe somebody knows something I don't. The first verse says it's metaphoric, but the first verse is weak. I like the rest.
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	10-Dec-05/3:23 PM
Thanks, Paul.
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	10-Dec-05/3:22 PM
Actually, smaller than D, but thanks.
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	10-Dec-05/3:21 PM
As an observer of myself, I do not divorce myself from responsibility. How could you be so naïve as to deduce that? “Condemnation. Punishment. Lowliness.”? How on earth do you gather such conclusions from a person observing herself? Whether you mean them as recommendations or observations doesn’t matter. The observer within me does not “pat herself on the back.” You score 0 for 3.
Re: The Third Fall Of Jesus by amanda_dcosta	10-Dec-05/10:41 AM
Dear Amanda, I appreciate the faith of people like you who see an an accident like a spill from a bike and ask only, "what the plan Of God was, through my accident." Then, after reviewing Jusus' suffering, conclude, "This makes me see His love for me." I wish you had left it at that and not included the admonitions in the last three verses. Those of us less gifted in faith, we of little faith, may wish for the contentment of knowing "The Holy Spirit spoke so well" but are stuck in a cycle of wonder at the apparent laxness of God in some situations compared to His apparent goodness in others.
Re: a comment on Better Off Dead by wilco	9-Dec-05/7:33 PM
she sliced off his penis fried it in grease served it for breakfast said, have a piece Excited yet?
Re: a comment on Count All the Stars by TLRufener	9-Dec-05/6:40 PM
"In deference to Dovina's sensibilities": Staggering about laughing whilst punching keys and sipping wine is not conducive to . . . trying to bite, trying, ok, done.
Re: a comment on Rub You Out by TLRufener	9-Dec-05/12:26 PM
or "gouging out my eyes"
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	9-Dec-05/12:15 PM
I see that it would sound more somber and mysterious in past tense. I just might do that.
Re: a comment on Better Off Dead by wilco	9-Dec-05/12:11 PM
Forgiven. May I suggest that if you completely revise a poem, it might be best to post it as a new poem, while not deleting the old version. You could call it XXX (version 2) or something.
Re: Relief (Ventilation Shaft rewrite) by cyan9	9-Dec-05/12:02 PM
The blacksmith metaphor starts off well, then switches to a lightning/rain metaphor. Suddenly we see a murder where little stories vent to peace (suggesting the title) and ending with a pleasant scene. Then, in the last verse, he seems to reform. Just thought you might like to trace my thought patterns as I read it.
Re: a comment on Observer by Dovina	9-Dec-05/11:44 AM
Perhaps both of your standpoints are grounded upon a difference of viewpoint. Morality would come into play if I (the observer) were looking at someone else. Past tense would make sense if I were remembering history. Since the observer and the observed are both parts of the same person (as I was thinking when I wrote it) the scene is ongoing, both past and present. I think we each have a part of ourselves that remains detached and open to whatever emerges within our lives. When the mind becomes used to such disconnected freedom, previously suppressed feelings may surface and can be evaluated objectively. I try to calmly observe without judgment. Each emotion will pass like a cloud in the sky to this observer part of me. When I truly become present without judgment, serene acceptance and deep contentment follow. The converse is also true. If I judge myself harshly, condemn or punish for imagined failings, I undermine contentment. It’s part of an ongoing process of accepting myself with the same compassion I would show a child.
Re: no title by candaliesa	9-Dec-05/11:29 AM
I think it's best to post your recent work rather than something from 2002. Hopefully, since then you've got your grammar straighter and learned to reduce the number of cliches.