Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	22-Dec-05/1:16 PM
After your wife-absorbed absence, I am normalized and racially content to find you back in the old style. And I do agree that another argument about race is pointless. Your explanation of geneticist’s contention in (1) is more precise than my poetic one, “But they were all the same race,” no argument there. But aren’t we really both saying the same thing? I have used stereotypical adjectives in describing the four races in the poem, as you say. That does not mean that other adjectives could not be used, it only means that I was making the nostalgic point that each race contributes differently to the harmony of the “quartet.” It’s a kind of yuletide bringing together of the races. Usually, you project my responses with some accuracy, but here, almost everything you ascribe to DOVINA, I would not say. I still contend, not for argument’s sake, but for the record, that I am not racist. (Notice my initial comment)
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:53 AM
PS-In case you've missed the point of the last ten debates on this subject (both -=Dark_Angel=-'s side and mine), the point is that only you find it *useful* to group people into races with certain stereotypical characteristics, goals, etc - not that there are no races. And then only you find it useful to "accuse" other users of "labelling" whilst twirling in your own cloud of self-righteousness.
Re: Mixed Quartet by Dovina	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:47 AM
(1) Geneticists don't say. They say race as a biological construct depends on a very small genetic difference. No geneticist would deny that there is a difference, ergo different races. Only your straw man would say that. Surely you can see the distinction. DOVINA: Some random comment of zodiac's on race. ZODIAC: You are kind of clueless, aren't you? (2) Geneticists say nothing about the cultural or other differences between races, which seem to be the basis for the rest of your poem. Unless you're going to argue that latinos are genetically "soulish". (3) Despite all that, you've still managed to be racist. The whites are the "analytical" ones? Please get over yourself. DOVINA: Some random denial. ZODIAC: Your metaphor has Asians "quick" and "precise", whites "sharp" and "analytical", latins "soulish" and "devoted" - and blacks "smooth" and "limber"??!? Tell me, were you ever planning on giving blacks mental or psychological features, like you gave the other races? Or just physical ones, brutes that they are? What mental features would you give them? (Suggestions: Docile! Brooding! Rhythmical!) Does it bother you that, at best, this poem is a dictionary of outdated racial stereotypes obviously written by someone with little experience of other races and a profound, unacknowledged sense of white superiority? DOVINA: You've failed to get it. I'm talking about instruments. ZODIAC: If you say that you're the biggest guffer ever and ought to crawl in a hole and die of shame. DOVINA: You've failed to get it. I'm talking about instruments. I'm clever. ZODIAC: ...
Re: a comment on Just for Show (Suicide revised) by sliver	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:29 AM
Old fashioned girls are fun.
Re: philosophy of a new age by crazyknight	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:27 AM
PS-Your haiku is wrong.
Re: philosophy of a new age by crazyknight	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:27 AM
black is white. hoboes are wealthies. Steve is really Steven. clod is dolc. Hey, isn't it funny how you can say any two opposites are the same, and provided your guff level hasn't exceeded -=7=-, you'll sound clever and deep? You're full of crud. Stop it.
Re: a comment on Unconscious by MacFrantic	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:20 AM
Vagueness and grammar errors with the occasional brilliant phrase? I would have thought this was up your alley.
Re: Aisle by the bread counter by Caducus	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:18 AM
Don't randomly capitalize words.
Re: a comment on It's Time by PoeticXTC	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:15 AM
That is, whether you believe these are true is irrelevant. You were just making rhymes. If you'd kept this up to "It's time what lords us", you'd have had to say "It's time who [former US president Gerald] Fords us." Is rhyme a very reasonable thing to base your beliefs on? No. Religions start that way. As you should know, seeing that "Jesus" half-rhymes with both "pleases" and "wheezes".
Re: It's Time by PoeticXTC	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:06 AM
Rhyming dictionary.
Re: When god manifested by Crakyamuni	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/9:05 AM
Strong lines: "She likes the ocean, it's in her form" "carnivourous and kind" "so voracious it's death sometimes" "curves sing like the sun" "My wish is to depart in this light" "I want to be scorched by this" The rest needs to be like those, and not so, you know, overindulged narrator. Also, carnivorous and definitely are misspelled. And / is not a real punctuation. -8-
Re: Never Let Go Again by TLRufener	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/8:58 AM
Hey, you included a specific detail! Bravo! And I thought you were going to make it through the semester without learning anything.
Re: Slaves and their Serpents by cyan9	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/8:56 AM
already - one l. Yes, your mutilation does seem comic. Why write it that way? There's good stuff here, except that it's undercut by your silliness, and not in a useful way.
Re: Tulips and Roses by Mona Lisa	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/8:53 AM
Try for some unity of imagery. It's not enough to simply make up a new metaphor or image for every single thing in your poem so you end up having four comparisons in four lines, and none of them related to the others. Okay, it is enough. But who wants to be doing "enough"?
Re: a comment on It's Time by PoeticXTC	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/8:25 AM
Actually, sorry. I don't mean to give you a hard time. We thought for awhile you were gone. I'm sure I'm not alone in being glad you're back. I should tell you I believe poets should avoid making large unsupportable pronouncements (ie, "Time is infinte"). SOMEONE'S OBVIOUS RESPONSE: You're saying poets shouldn't talk about time or infinite time! Your a dick! ZODIAC: That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying poets should talk about time being infinite in supportable, poetic ways. The easiest way I can think of is something like this: The hobo said "Time as infinite". I didn't know what to think about that, but then I walked out under the stars and it all seemed very infinite. The end. You see the difference? (Hint: Mine has hoboes.) Both my poem and the poem above leave you with the impression that time is infinite. But my example doesn't meatclub you in the head with the idea. Mine isn't susceptible to attack from people saying "time isn't infinte, your a clod". Mine supports its assertion, albeit rather sloppily, with the infiniteness of nature. Mine acknowledges that it's just opinion or feeling. Mine includes dramatic action, poetic imagery, metaphor. SOMEONE: Your poem's not better. Your a dork. ZODIAC: Mine is better. You don't know what you're talking about. SOMEONE: This poem is true to PoeticXTC's true self and feelings. He shouldn't have to change that. Fuck u!!!!1!!1 ZODIAC: What, PoeticXTC's 'true self' is trumpeting vague unproveable truisms like "It's time which olds us" about and not ever considering, poetically or otherwise, that his idea might not be the correct one? I don't believe it. But if that's the case, then yes, I do think PoeticXTC should change *that*. QED.
Re: a comment on It's Time by PoeticXTC	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/7:51 AM
Yes, that is the poet's answer. Do you have anything that makes sense?
Re: a comment on Privacy Compromised by Dovina	zodiac 70.109.2.131	22-Dec-05/7:51 AM
It's one of your better efforts. I liked it at the time. I long ago stopped requiring perfection for 10s.
Re: a comment on Never Let Go Again by TLRufener	TLRufener 68.115.23.42	22-Dec-05/7:44 AM
You don't have to give a damn. This poem isn't meant for you or so you'll care.
Re: a comment on Slaves and their Serpents by cyan9	cyan9 217.40.63.105	22-Dec-05/5:48 AM
Thanks for the compliment, have a good xmas.
Re: a comment on It's Time by PoeticXTC	cyan9 217.40.63.105	22-Dec-05/4:34 AM
Its as infinite as the length of the british coastline. PS-Its the love that does its thing