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Mississippi Burnin. (Lyric) by SupremeDreamer
Mississippi Seething v.2 [Revised & Re-titled.] ------------------------------------------------------------ It's so cold now, as I fold, content though not bold, here in this stance between time and memories seen so long ago that they've lost their sheen-- feeling like some whore who's a bore, leaving my customer flaccid 'cause my swaggin's rancid and [chorus] you could just kill me, hang me like some nigger on a Mississippi tree-- but that would amount to nothing, because I refuse to flee, (It's pointless since you broke my knees.) and I'll never cry "just kill me please". I'm a placid stillness that you can not seize, my subversion is a perpetual disease. [chorus] It was true that once only few could tolerate my frenzied debate, but now I pretend to accept my fate, now I'm something worthy of your hate-- an object of derision, fueling the riot with its confusion and leaving you with an eerie sensation of being bought; neither cold or hot, I fill you with rot and [chorus] you could just kill me, hang me like some nigger on a Mississippi tree-- but that would amount to nothing, because I refuse to flee, (It's pointless since you broke my knees) and I'll never cry "just kill me please". I'm a placid stillness that you can not seize, my subversion is a perpetual disease. I die in you, taking you with me. I die in you, taking you with me. [chorus] And despite everything, my limp form still sings with fury-- a sound that people wish to bury so they can forget its heat that 'causes them to sweat with fear while they're binging on warm glasses of beer, completely unaware that they consume me in surrender, and deny the emptiness of their hunger. [chorus] I die in you, taking you with me-- I die in you, taking you with me, and you could just kill me, hang me like some nigger on a Mississippi tree-- but that would amount to nothing, because I refuse to flee, (It's pointless since you broke my knees.) and I'll never cry "just kill me please". I'm a placid stillness that you can not seize, my subversion is a perpetual disease. [chorus] It's so cold now, as I fold, content though not bold, here in this stance between time and memories seen so long ago that they've lost their sheen-- feeling like some whore who's a bore, leaving my customer flaccid 'cause my swaggin's rancid and [chorus] you could just kill me, hang me like some nigger on a Mississippi tree-- but that would amount to nothing, because I refuse to flee (It's pointless since you broke my knees.) and I'll never cry "just kill me please". Like a nigger hangin on a Mississippi tree, I'm dying in you, taking you with me; a placid stillness that you can not seize, eating you alive and setting me free, a nigger at peace hangin on a Mississippi tree-- Dying in you and taking you with me, my subversion is a perpetual disease, a placid stillness that you can not seize. [chorus]

Up the ladder: For You
Down the ladder: Night Work

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Arithmetic Mean: 4.5833335
Weighted score: 4.695392
Overall Rank: 11978
Posted: July 2, 2004 10:26 AM PDT; Last modified: July 2, 2004 10:26 AM PDT
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[n/a] SupremeDreamer @ 204.31.171.238 | 2-Jul-04/10:27 AM | Reply
Couldn't leave it alone. It's better this way me thinks. heh.
[8] zodiac @ 65.161.41.48 | 2-Jul-04/8:18 PM | Reply
If you've ever once been to Mississippi or had any closer experience to Mississippi than the now-defunct television program "In the Heat of the Night", I will do something unimaginable.
[n/a] SupremeDreamer @ 204.31.164.211 > zodiac | 3-Jul-04/7:15 AM | Reply
Trust me, I've never been close to the state, nor do I ever plan to go near the south of this crabby united states.. but maybe with enough alcohol and meth, you could get me to go steer hunting in texas while searching for nonexistent black gold and apache medicine men who sell peyote.
[8] Shuushin @ 207.5.211.177 | 3-Jul-04/3:29 PM | Reply
A good hook.

you could rather put "hang me on a Mississippi tree" and increase your market share, I think.
[9] jroday @ 209.26.169.117 | 10-Aug-04/5:06 AM | Reply
What is the concept behind this poem? before i make any
comment.
[n/a] SupremeDreamer @ 4.246.72.79 > jroday | 11-Aug-04/1:02 AM | Reply
And what about voting three zeros on my lyric anonymously WITHOUT EVEN FUCKING UNDERSTANDING ITS INTENDED MESSAGE????

You see the words nigger, Mississippi, hang, and tree and you automatically flip on that idiotic PC switch (Politically Correct, in case you are not aware of current catch phrases..dimwit) and then quickly act without thinking, hiding behind the guise that somehow you are fighting back the tide of racism in society...

Did it ever occur to you that it was to be assumed, and was by most, that the lyric is sung by a black man? Do you not fucking notice any of the pride in the song, not white pride mind you, but a completely different sort of pride voiced within those lines? No, you didn't, you took no time to use the brain you were fucking born with to notice the somewhat obvious.

Congratulations, you've succeeded in proving to us rankerfolk that your are a complete and total DULLARD-NIMROD.

G'day.
[9] jroday @ 204.215.33.254 | 11-Aug-04/6:26 AM | Reply
I'm a blackman that bullshit comment you wrote dont mean a damn thing for what i ask you. I did'nt mean a
thing for asking what is the concept of your lyric? and
you want to stereotype me. you need to stop taking some
of your work so personally. I like the damn lyric. born,raised. great great grandfather hung in mississippi during those times. and people dont like to talk about it.you say a blackman is singing it.his
ass wont be from mississippi.but anyway S.D.you just jump all over me like i wanted to hang you like some nigger on a mississippi tree.get your shit together you help me alot when i join poemranker on my writing. those three zero's you got did'nt come from me.i live in florida. they might have come from mississippi.i bless you with a 9
[8] zodiac @ 212.118.2.83 > jroday | 11-Aug-04/7:20 AM | Reply
Dear jroday,

Hi! I was just reading the comments on this poem, and couldn't help coming in your side. You're absolutely right; SupremeDreamer has never been within 2500 miles of Mississippi, has never met a non-Gay or non-hobo blackman, and has no right jumping your ass when he doesn't know what kind of shit your people been through. In addition, I thought I'd point out to him that the terms "politically correct" and "P.C." are older than his scraggly teenage ass and he's talking entirely out of his asshole. And finally, his blabber about "the pride in the song, not white pride mind you" is totally unjustified, considering who, what, and where he is. Even I, a white Southerner, wouldn't dare write a poem about, say, a drunk black blues picker from down Delta way (who, say, everyone thinks is trash except me) without first sealing up my asscrack to an unsanitary degree with extrastrength duck tape. It makes me sad to think about how, 150 years after Emancipation, we haven't come far enough to sit on a porch together drinking good watermelon wine from a shared gourd, but I guess thats the way it is. Now SupremeDreamer will probably give me shit about writing this comment too, so go ahead. Sorry about the slavery,

zodiac
[n/a] SupremeDreamer @ 68.130.93.25 > zodiac | 11-Aug-04/7:57 AM | Reply
-Hands you a proper shitwig to match your embrowned asshat-

;)

SDreamer.
[n/a] SupremeDreamer @ 68.130.93.25 > jroday | 11-Aug-04/8:04 AM | Reply
As for denying having zeroed me, you might want to take a look at the voting details and click on all three I.P.s logged and you'll find that it they all match for one rankerman in the whole damned ville... and that, my friend, is you, according to the I.P. Sneakiness results.

But say what you will, it doesn't really mean shit in the end. Saving face though, is quite pointless, since you will be shitpie'd one day or another.. its a twisted ranker tradition really.

G'day.

SDreamer. (Yes, I'm copying zodiac, doesn't it make me seem all formal?!?!?!!! w00t.)
[9] jroday @ 204.215.34.189 | 11-Aug-04/12:17 PM | Reply
Let me tell you something bubba, you will never know how a person will feel about anything they read. i dont give a damn what kind of comments you make or what you call a person.so wipe the milk from around your mouth,and grow the fuck up and be a man.and what i mean by that is instead of calling me a embrowned
asshat or i will be shitpie'd oneday or another. just call me a nigger and get it over with. i'd rather for a man to say what he really feels than to play teenage
games with me,see in my life time i've been called nigger,colored,afro-american,coon,boy. and now i'm black. like i told you before i like the damn lyric. but you just took shit the wrong way.you aint nothing but a niggling i know you dont know what it mean. so i'm going to tell you. it means trifling,piddling,inconsequential,measly,picayune.its
educated black people in the south with master degrees
that our forefathers fought and died for so that we could have a better future in your lyric you talk about pride. in black history we talk about how to survive. BLACK HISTORY 101 THE END
[n/a] SupremeDreamer @ 65.45.152.57 > jroday | 11-Aug-04/1:27 PM | Reply
Let me say this fuckwit, I have no urge to spit out racial slurs, but I will call you an oversensitive bitch clinging to a victim mindset, deluded that every white man who ever said nigger wants to call you a stupid negro... Hows that? Thats what I "really" think, about YOU.

As for you babbling about black history or how african slaves survived or the injustice they continued to suffer after being freed, you know about as much as I do, which is next to nothing, you most likely never had to endure anything more than a bad look from some scared pale and flaking old hag clinging to her moldy handbag that smells of old hair and musty perfume.

Also, any twit can sit there and say "we talk about how to survive" and its quite easy when they never actually had to tread with caution in order to survive, but somehow its still "fashionable" to most morons that make up the larger part of society.

Now, you can continue regurgitating your anti-kkk defense and black history month lecture, or you can shut up, in either case you'll end up boring the fuck out of me.

toodles wh0re.
SDreamer.
[n/a] SupremeDreamer @ 65.45.152.57 > jroday | 11-Aug-04/1:33 PM | Reply
BTW, if you hadn't noticed, I awarded zodiac with the shitwig to match his embrowned asshat... Not you, you fuckin nimrod. And also, none of the three terms mentioned-- shitwig, embrowned, & asshat-- have any racial undercurrent what-so-ever. But you managed to twist it all around in order to appear oppressed. Maybe your crying out for some attention eh?

So malcom, what lecture do you have for me next?
SDreamer.
[n/a] horus8 @ 24.130.62.63 > jroday | 13-Aug-04/4:31 PM | Reply
This morning (as my negro was buffing my boots) I
asked him if he was ready to earn his master's degree,
and he said "I thought I did last week when I purchased that on-line diploma in Slavery?"
[9] jroday @ 204.215.33.234 | 11-Aug-04/3:34 PM | Reply
HA, HA, HA, HA,SON PEOPLE GROW THROUGH EXPERIENCE IF
THEY MEET LIFE HONESTLY AND COURAGEOUSLY. THIS IS HOW CHARACTER IS BUILT.I have always learned from EXPERIENCE THAT THE GREATER PART OF OUR HAPPINESS OR MISERY DEPENDS UPON OUR DISPOSITIONS, AND NOT UPON OUR
CIRCUMSTANCES.I'AM HAVING A GOOD TIME PLAYING WITH YOU
ON THIS MATTER, BUT YOU'RE TAKING IT TO SERIOUS.SO I'AM GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONG, BUT i hav'nt been a negro
since back in the 70's (smile)
[10] frdup717 @ 4.29.181.60 | 11-Aug-04/4:35 PM | Reply
very good
i feel that the racial argument was utterly retarted
at no point in your work did you make any racial statements or stereotypes.
people need to undrstand that there is a difference between black people and niggers
niggers harbor hatred toward the white man because of the past, they also down white people because they think that we are always trying to supress them WHICH IS NOT THE CASE WITH most WHITE PEOPLE
(i wont go into my own personal beliefs)
if all black people would just lighten up and try not to be so god damn touchy about the past we wouldnt have to deal with all this P.C bullshit
[10] frdup717 @ 4.29.181.60 > frdup717 | 11-Aug-04/4:36 PM | Reply
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[n/a] Jeremi B. Handrinos @ 24.130.62.63 > frdup717 | 11-Aug-04/9:11 PM | Reply
Yes, and I think if they learned how to speak clearly, and dress like gentlemen -- that would help too.
[9] jroday @ 204.215.34.114 > frdup717 | 12-Aug-04/5:59 AM | Reply
you know you are so very right.all i ask s.dreamer was one simply
question and he gave me that answer. the rest of the comment he could have left out.but that's in the past. now getting back to your comment. i agree! but you know nothing can cure the soul but the senses, just as nothing can cure the senses but the soul.
i hope one day some black people wont be so touchy on the past the question is not always where we stand, but in which direction we are headed.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > frdup717 | 12-Aug-04/2:27 PM | Reply
What there is a difference between black people and niggers, oh my god, so the niggers are the ones that are touchy, ok...

Lets see you just asked for people to look at each white person as individuals and then in the same breath you assume all black people think in a certain way, that's completely inconsistent.

Everyone should be viewed without stereotypes and generalizations, but of course I'm PC.

meow,

cat the PC cat
[n/a] horus8 @ 24.130.62.63 > cat | 12-Aug-04/7:49 PM | Reply
niggers believe in spending an enormous amount of money on useless shit, like for instance a 15,000 dollar muffler, on a 10, 000 dollar car, or a 400 dollar pair of shoes on a bad pedicure.. Also, I feel that niggers, somehow feel that if they are wearing a sport's jersey of some kind it makes them feel BETTER about they're invovment with the over paid essence of sports in America.
[9] jroday @ 204.215.34.234 > cat | 13-Aug-04/5:51 AM | Reply
Yes cat there is a different between black people and niggers.
webster dictionary 1962 edition said that a nigger was a black man from africa, I was born in the U.S.A.(smile). now in today's
edition it says that a nigger is a nasty person with an atitude, so that could be anyone.(you wont find nigger in all webster's
dictionarys, but if you research enough you'll fine it.)no iam not asking people to look at whites as individuals and assume black people think a certain way.everyone one is his or her own individual, and everyone think a certain way. It has nothing to do with the color of your skin.you must have misunderstood me when i said, the question is not always where we stand, but in which direction we are headed.what i meant by that is human beings
by changing the inner attitudes of their minds, can change the outer aspects of their lives. if you can change your inner attitude you should be able to cope with anything.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > jroday | 13-Aug-04/9:00 AM | Reply
jroday,

while i understand what you are saying i don't agree (maybe I just don't agree with the whole theory, the whole chris rock think I don't agree). i don't believe in the two kinds of black people (or two kinds of any people) theory.

it to me is semantics, a person who uses the term "nigger" or even "nigga" white, black or whatever, has a warped view.

the black person who uses it feel that there is a certain behavior that will make the “mainstream” accept them, not understanding that person that thinks there are “two types of black people” aren't open and will never accept them or anyone else, it’s ignorant, uneducated, a power trip, but those people are few and far between.

a white person who feels that there are two kinds of black people feels that most black people are “niggers” and the good ones they are black, they will even test black people to see if they are the black or “niggers”, you don’t test people you view as a peer or an equal, at least not in social situations.

it's sort of like being Jewish and trying not to "act" Jewish so that mainstream America will accept you, people that will have a problem with you because of a stereotype are never going to like you anyway, during WW2 NAZI's didn't gas just the "bad" Jews, the rounded up even the people who didn’t go to temple.

the "nigger", "nigga", "two types of black people" thing is simply semantics and someone trying to be clever, all people who use and believe in any of those three theories are pretty much in the same boat in my world.

they always try to dance around and explain, but their are closed minded, unselfrealized people that need help.

there are never just two types of any "group" there are a many types in groups as there are people...

meow,

cat
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > cat | 13-Aug-04/10:22 AM | Reply
What do people mean when they say that something "is simply semantics"?
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 13-Aug-04/10:45 AM | Reply
dear dark angel, p.i.,

Semantics is sort of the language equivalent of the "I'm not touching you."

You know the little brother that puts his finger right in your face, but doesn't touch you, but it's not about the touching it's about your intent.

It's like when you have a whole tirade on generalizing a particular group and you write 5000 words on it, but you preface it with "some"...as a sort "see I didn't mean all I meant some...I’m not generalizing…"

It's a sort safety, a cowardly out, a false claim that you didn’t intend what you intended, even though you know and everyone else with common sense knows what you intended, but due to the rules of our language false people get to wiggle out of taking responsibility of their true intent, because of some grammatical rule like “some” or using the term “nigger”.

meow,

cat
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.216.59 > cat | 13-Aug-04/2:13 PM | Reply
I am afraid I don't have this thing you call common sense. I just have a dustbin full of a-levels. I wish I was common like you.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > richa | 13-Aug-04/2:42 PM | Reply
dear richa,

I'm below common, I'm a cat.

I wish I was closer to common like you.

Share some catnip.

meow,

cat
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > jroday | 13-Aug-04/9:16 AM | Reply
It is a fact that white people are more likely to get skin cancer than black people. It is also a fact that black people are more likely to suffer from sickle cell anaemia than white people. It is also a fact that that white people tend to have straighter hair than black people. In fact it is obvious that there are a large number of physical characteristics associated with a person's race. The brain is a part of the body, just as the skin, or the blood, or the hair is. Why should it be any different? The fact is that there is no reason to think characteristics such as personality and intelligence aren't also influenced by race. Of course such characteristics are partly a product of an individual's environment, but there is no doubt that different brains would deal with the same environment in different ways. If you attempt to argue that personality is a product of the soul, and not of the brain, then consider this: if you jab a pencil into someone's frontal lobes, their personality changes.

When it comes to racism, most people think it's wrong to generalise on the basis of race. They say things like "What you think has nothing to do with the colour of your skin". But that is the King of Generalisations. Is there any justification for it? It is perfectly conceivable that there could exist a race of people that were all evil and stupid. In conclusion, discriminating on the basis of race is only a stupid thing to do if your grounds for discrimination are unjustified. Thanks for listening.
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.216.59 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 13-Aug-04/2:23 PM | Reply
'the fact is' makes you sound a dunce.

The bell curve controversy was such fun wasn't it. They found out black peoples IQ's were a standard deviation lower than white peoples IQ's. And also that when you put a rag over a mongoloid babie face he was calm, do the same to a negroid and he has a hissy fit.

Anyway there is an argument to say that differences in intelligence are only as relevant as differences in hair curliness. That is to say the purpose of evolution is to create a fit with the evolutionary environment.
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.86.113.159 > richa | 13-Aug-04/3:43 PM | Reply
"Anyway there is an argument to say that differences in intelligence are only as relevant as differences in hair curliness. That is to say the purpose of evolution is to create a fit with the evolutionary environment."

Yes well that might be relevant if the coloureds had stayed in their own country, mightn't it? But, they made the choice to enter the fast-paced world of Civilised-society. Nobody forced them to come over here. And now look where we are: Coloured songs all over the radio like a sort of rash that you can't show the doctor because you're too embarrassed.
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.216.59 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 13-Aug-04/2:41 PM | Reply
'If you attempt to argue that personality is a product of the soul, and not of the brain, then consider this: if you jab a pencil into someone's frontal lobes, their personality changes.'

Yet more science-trite. How about someone is deprived of consciousness and only understands at the information processing level. How then does his personality change by jabbing his frontal lobe. Surely it is only his behaviour than can be said to change.

Also why do you talk about soul and brain as though seperate entities?
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.86.113.159 > richa | 13-Aug-04/3:48 PM | Reply
Yeah, well how about most people haven't been "deprived of consciousness", so your "point" is irrelevant? And how about you're making the bunko assumption that having a personality depends on being conscious?
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.216.59 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 14-Aug-04/3:01 AM | Reply
Of course personality depends on being conscious. Personality is what informs our reactions to the environment. That is what consciousness is for. To help us organise our behaviour outside the strictly hard wired - 'eat the brown berries in the forest, get bad tummy'

I dropped a caterpillar in a bowl of water, it wriggled around a lot (it was hardly going to survive). Should I attribute that to its tenacious personality. It is not conscious.
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.86.113.159 > richa | 14-Aug-04/12:20 PM | Reply
"That's what consciousness is for."

Consciousness is consciousness. Our reactions to the environment are behaviour. Establishing that consciousness is a prerequisite for particular patterns of reaction to the environment is equivalent to a refutation of epiphenomenalism, which frankly I don't think you're up to, old boy.
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > richa | 13-Aug-04/4:05 PM | Reply
P.S I only mention the soul and brain as separate because anyone who believes personality has nothing to do with the brain, and everything to do with the soul, obviously does think the soul and the brain are separate. My point is that even if you think they are separate, it is still the case that making physical changes to the brain will change a person's observable behaviour. Since all you know about someone's personality is from what you observe of their behaviour, I'd say their personality had changed. What would you say? where do u think your personality is stored? oh wait I forgot u don't have any personality hahahahaha no but seriously?
[8] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > richa | 15-Aug-04/5:53 AM | Reply
It seems like every time there's an argument on this site, you come in with something about "the information processing level" - which, incidentally, strikes me as a load of fluff. Do you find that it's an absurdly easy way out of almost any argument?
[n/a] Jeremi B. Handrinos @ 24.130.62.63 | 11-Aug-04/9:13 PM | Reply
I'm a nigger, except I know how to speak clearly,
and dress properly, and I don't care about wearing heavy jewelery, or impressing my friends, and I think if more niggers toned it down like me? the world could finally get jiggy with it, and throw up a holla "west-side" from da crib. word down.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > Jeremi B. Handrinos | 12-Aug-04/2:33 PM | Reply
Jeremi,

I don't think any particular group needs to tone down anything. People toning down things isn't going to make prejudice people less prejudice, because by assuming that there is something that a person who is the object of a prejudice could do in regards to stopping prejudice and stereotyping would also assume that prejudice, racism, and sexism was based in some kind of fact and was the fault of who it was practiced against and it is not.

I feel that the American public needs to be more inclusive and less concerned about things.

meow,

cat
[n/a] horus8 @ 24.130.62.63 > cat | 12-Aug-04/7:46 PM | Reply
Yes, and I believe that we should begin with exposing the fact that Jeremi isn't black, and he is a racist. here, here.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > horus8 | 13-Aug-04/2:47 PM | Reply
horus8,

My comments were regarding my beliefs on a certain kind mindset of a particular type of human, this type of human comes in all ethnicities, so....

Silly human.

meow,

cat
[n/a] horus8 @ 24.130.62.63 > cat | 13-Aug-04/4:24 PM | Reply
road kill, pit bulls, the humane society,
adoption, nine lives, mexican taco.
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 | 12-Aug-04/9:41 AM | Reply
You turd. It's obvious you think poetry is about being raw and controversial. You put offensive words like "nigger" and "mellifluous" in your poemes to make your writing seem more dangerous. And when - shock horror! - someone thinks you're being racist, you blunder around in a massive self-righteous rant about how your work is always being misunderstood by the PC establishment. Well I've got news for you buddy:

"Your subversion is a perpetual disease"

Besides, the preferred nomenclature is "Negro".
[n/a] SupremeDreamer @ 65.45.152.10 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 13-Aug-04/2:43 AM | Reply
Blow me.
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.86.113.159 > SupremeDreamer | 13-Aug-04/3:49 PM | Reply
I dont blow anybody with a henna tattoo of father christmas on there cock
[n/a] horus8 @ 24.130.62.63 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 13-Aug-04/4:16 PM | Reply
The crowd goes wild!!! ha ha ha... Oh shit, that takes the fucking cake, hahaha, jesus, dude, you are a fucking master.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 | 13-Aug-04/8:43 AM | Reply
dear unpc friends of the rainbow that is earth,

The internet is a wonderful tool, how happy you must be to not be tied to the constraints of society.

The thing I fine most fascinating about people who hate PC is that they feel like somehow the dreaded “PC” has some how shackled them and held them back in their lives because they weren’t able to use anti-Semitic, racist, sexist, and homophobic slurs daily without people thinking they were jerks, so they had to completely bottle that frustration deep inside.

I completely feel for those individuals that were trapped during the height of PC, because I know that the reason you live on the couch in your mother's den. It is because from 1990 (the beginning of PC) until 2000, you weren't allowed to use a racial slur and that's why you have to live in a neighborhood where people own ten thousand dollar cars.

My heart goes out to you, I know those ten years were tough, maybe you should contact a lawyer and maybe you can file some of "couldn't be self realized, because I could use an offensive term when that offending ethnic group/gender/religion stole my job/spot in the college I really, really, wanted to go to/my girlfriend, I couldn't even use anti-Semitisms to complain about my lack of balance in my bank account, woe is me." Maybe you can file that around the time you file a suit against McDonalds for your Atkins diet making you 300 pounds and giving you heart disease…

two licks and a coughed up hair ball to you,

meow,

cat
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.216.59 > cat | 14-Aug-04/7:50 AM | Reply
Oh how wonderfully insightful. Well let me instead be inciteful. Noeone thinks you are a jerk if you use anti-semitic, homophobic, racist, sexist remarks. Most people will agree with you. That is why it is 'political' correctness. Nothing changed in attitude with its invent. It just became illegal to call a spade a spade.
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > richa | 14-Aug-04/8:18 AM | Reply
I think political correctness is symptomatic of changing attitudes towards ethnics and gays and other minorities. It only came about because it became increasingly unpopular to be thought a bigot. In this country, any prominant person who is heard uttering racial slurs is instantly slated in a News. By God Sir, it wasn't always like that. I don't think most people these days would agree with a homophobic lewd, or an anti-semitic lewd, or a sexist lewd. When the phrase "political correctness" was coined, it became popular to be politically incorrect for comedy value. But people only find political incorrectness funny because they think it's so outrageous. It's an obvious tautology, but political correctness is only stupid when it conflicts with actual correctness. Thanks for listening.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 14-Aug-04/8:38 AM | Reply
dear dark angel pi,

Your welcome angel baby.

I would like to add that I view PC as personal courtesy, is it going to hurt me to think a little harder in describing another human being, no, if I can add to the planet in my dealings with other why not?

Especially in writing, terms that are rude are also clichés, in writing what's more deadly than clichés?

Madonna was shocking in 1985, is she shocking now, no, she's become irrelevant, even kissing another, oh my god, woman, couldn't even jumpstart her career.

People on the far right being against using courtesy I understand, liberals who think the same thing, I'm simply confused.

No censorship for topics simply be mindful in how you say things, the point is you should think and thinking before you open your mouth isn't usually that bad of a thing.

Maybe the US wouldn't have such a big obesity problem if people thought a bit before opening their mouths.

Impulse control beyond a five year old, why is that so horrible.

meow,

cat
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > cat | 14-Aug-04/8:49 AM | Reply
Being polite is one thing, but is it polite, for instance, to let an ethnic into University because they are an ethnic, even though that ethnic has performed worse in his examinations than ten other non-ethnics? I'm not saying that sort of thing happens all the time, but there are definitely situations in which political correctness comes at the expense of the majority. I probably agree with positive discrimination up to a point, but does my good heartedness and tolerant nature extend to letting coloureds into Higher Education? Good Christ I hope not. Thanks for listening.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > richa | 14-Aug-04/8:21 AM | Reply
dear "mocking others insight, but yet tries to be clever and insightful himself, but in the real people way",

So now you my dear human are acquainted with most people, I don't know most cats, but what a well traveled human being you must be with your A-levels and holidays, you must be one of those British humans from the upper classes with lots of inheritance to be able to travel the planet speaking and talking to most people.

I liked your save though, the “most” addition (SEE YOUNG HUMANS THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SEMANTICS “MOST”, HE DIDN’T WANT TO SAY ALL, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS EVERYONE, BUT HE KNOWS MOST, OK.)

I have a cousin cat that lives in Laytonville, when you go there on your weekly trips to meet most people, could you give tell him to remember to use the litter box.

Wow a person who knows most people and assumes everyone is like him, I guess no one told you that is not the case, because they didn't want to hurt your feelings and make you feel badly about your life, damn that PC, keeping people delusional.

And in the future maybe you should just say all, come on really, “most” …lol…

A scratch to your futon frame.

meow,

cat
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > cat | 14-Aug-04/8:35 AM | Reply
Look nobody here has done a survey to see what most people think. But richa can at least make a sort of judgment based on what he reads in the news, on the people he meets, or the conversations he overhears. You're a dunce if you think people can't use the word 'most' just because they haven't spoken to more than 50% of the population. You must have some sort of idea as to what most people where you live think about political correctness. I suggest you share your views with the rest of the group.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 14-Aug-04/8:52 AM | Reply
dear dark angel pi aka "The PhD award winning Psychologist, Sociologist, Mental GIANT",

Dark Angel calls me a dunce, the angel that asks me what semantics means calls me a dunce?

I wasn’t sure if you were a smarty or ignorant, I always assume people are true until they have proven themselves to be false, but I see you have answered, so now I will answer your questions in a tone you will appreciate.

Why don't you put on you deductive logic wings and figure out what I think genius?

If you give the wrong answer I'll explain it to you, since apparently you are in agreement with Richa that you can predict most people's human behavior.

Let's see how smart you are smarty.

a coughed up hairball to you sweetie.

meow,

cat
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > cat | 14-Aug-04/9:05 AM | Reply
I didn't necessarily call you a dunce. What I said was:

"You're a dunce if you think people can't use the word 'most' just because they haven't spoken to more than 50% of the population."

> Why don't you put on you deductive logic wings and figure out what I think genius?

You probably think: "I have no idea what other people think about politcal correctness."

But consider this: If I jabbed a group of people with a red hot poker, what would they think about it? Can you honestly say you have no idea at all?

> apparently you are in agreement with Richa that you can predict most people's human behavior.

I obviously can't flawlessly predict human behaviour. I have an opinion on what I think most people feel about political correctness. It is based on the people I meet, conversations I overhear, things I see on TV and read about in the News.

P.S As regards the 'semantics' thing, I have spent the last three years studying formal semantics in theoretical computer science. Formal semantics in this context is mathematically formalising the meaning of computer programs. I know what the word actually means, which is probably why I didn't understand you. For your information, I think the phrase "it's just semantics" is more popular in America than in Britain. I haven't met anyone who has used it in conversation. That is why I asked.
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.216.59 > cat | 14-Aug-04/9:23 AM | Reply
You are in no position to judge who is smart and who is not. You are unable to separate hypothetical (i.e. if .... is .... then....) from the concrete. This is no surprise as cats have no neo-cortex and are as such incapable of reasoning.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > richa | 14-Aug-04/10:06 AM | Reply
dear mr and mrs richa,

What are you guys doing? Are you dating? Oh you’re married, I then apologize Richa for implying that your beloved is lacking in the smarty points, she is a genius.

Let’s do some recaps on her cleverness: first she uses her spidey skills to get me by asking me what I meant by semantics, I mean that usually shows someone, ask them what the "big" word means, yeah that will show them, the little lady is quick, she showed me with that one, some people view that is sort of eighth grade tactic, but used properly that technique usually floors people, hey it floored me.

Then she demands that I tell everyone what I think on PC, because I’m being a dunce. Oh man the word play the cleverness, the sarcastic bite, the forcefulness, the working of the logic there, my god I think she the reincarnate of Dorothy Parker.

Oh and then finally her biggest gem of a post, in defense of you Ricah, when she explained to me how “some” and “most” weren’t the same which demonstrated that you, her beloved, wasn’t using semantics, my god that brought tears to my eyes, I learned so much from that post. I hope that one day when god makes me human that he will give me a brain as well developed as Dark Angel, because that girl she is …words simply can’t describe.

You are a lucky human.

Congratulations on the nuptials kiddies.

meow,

cat
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > cat | 14-Aug-04/10:17 AM | Reply
You're a very silly person, indeed.
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > cat | 14-Aug-04/8:41 AM | Reply
P.S His use of 'most' isn't 'just semantics'. If he had said 'some' that might be 'just semantics'. It's obvious he doesn't think all people agree with racial slurs.
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.216.59 > cat | 14-Aug-04/8:45 AM | Reply
1) Most is not a save. Unless you expect me to say everyone hates homos even the homos.

2) Ever heard the concept of a sample. For instance if I was to measure reaction times to different stimuli, I may test 300 people. If the sample is representative the findings can be inferred as though everyone in the uk was tested.

It is a bit like saying my IQ is in the top 1% of the UK population. Would your reply be only in the uk? Mine is in the top 2% in the world.

3) At no point did I say I agreed with them. So you can add poor comprehension skills to your list of dunceton-ness.

4) Scratch my futon again and I will break your leg (it is ok cats are not sentient).
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > richa | 14-Aug-04/9:18 AM | Reply
dear "now I'm very angry and I will show you, you damn cat",

Break my leg, what a very mean human you are.

“Most” is a save, oh wait if I put little numbers on the side will that make it more true...anyway most is a save, people only use most, so if a person counters and says, "hey well I know for a fact that people in Istanbul don't think that way." you can say, "oh I said most, so I don't have to address that anomaly."

So it is a save.

Your IQ example can't be used it's a standard test that people take throughout the Western part of the world and you could say with confidence if you IQ was 1% that you were smarter than most people in regards to a particular IQ test, but prejudice is a bit more subjective than that so using terms like most or some are kind of your way of giving yourself a save and slanting the facts to favor your opinion, and that is what it is, an opinion, unless you can find me a test that measures open-mindedness.

I didn't say you agreed with anyone, I simply said you don't know everyone, so you can't speak as if you do, well you can, but you might get challenged, i.e., you are being challenged right now.

Look UK human with a high IQ (yeah i know that you don't have a high IQ, you are bordering on being mentally challenged you were simply saying that to prove a point, damn me, damn me, damn me), I didn't say you were a racist, but I'm surprised you would get so angry about possibly being thought of as a racist, since everyone around you is, oh pardon me, most people around you.

Oh I get it you were trying to say that you are better than the people around you, oh so we are back to the "common" comment.

This isn't about PC at all is it, this is about you thinking you are better than everyone else and the frustration you feel for being forced to cohabitate with people who are obviously inferior to a high IQ having, A-level taking, smart, logical, human like you.

My deepest sympathies, I wish you could be a stupid cat like me…

but i'm going to use your favorite shoes as my litter box.

meow,

cat
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.216.59 > cat | 14-Aug-04/9:44 AM | Reply
1) 'This isn't about PC at all is it, this is about you thinking you are better than everyone else and the frustration you feel for being forced to cohabitate with people who are obviously inferior to a high IQ having, A-level taking, smart, logical, human like you.'

yes.

2) '“Most” is a save, oh wait if I put little numbers on the side will that make it more true...anyway most is a save, people only use most, so if a person counters and says, "hey well I know for a fact that people in Istanbul don't think that way." you can say, "oh I said most, so I don't have to address that anomaly."'

By saying most, the inference is 'not all'. That is a statement without 'savers' as you would put it.

3) 'Look UK human with a high IQ (yeah i know that you don't have a high IQ, you are bordering on being mentally challenged you were simply saying that to prove a point, damn me, damn me, damn me)'

Well done, you spotted the clause 'if I said'. Unfortunately you seem to believe that by making the 'if' clause, the opposite must be true (bordering on mentally challenged). Shame you had to undo the good work.

4) 'I'm surprised you would get so angry about possibly being thought of as a racist, since everyone around you is, oh pardon me, most people around you.'

This assumes the only problem one would have with being called racist is how the majority of people would react to such a label. This has no grounding in logic.

5) Common sense is merely what you are said to have when you agree with people who have rubbish a-levels and/or degrees.
[8] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > cat | 15-Aug-04/6:27 AM | Reply
Dear cat,

You've been proven wrong and generally marked yourself as a gigantic dim about a dozen times on this page without your knowing it. Your idea of intelligent argument is attacking nearly everything besides your massive generalizations by calling them massive generalizations, and then hoping some frankly nauseating mixture of logicphobia, specious self-deprecation and general cutesiness will get you out of being called a blundering dim to your face. And you've committed the carnal dim of reading "Could you explain what you mean by X" as "I have no idea what X means in reality". Dim, dim, dim.

PS-You're not PC, since you're patently an anti-PCist, a Britishist, and an internet-userist. You've just been taught that a bunch of things are bad to say about certain downtrodden ethnics and are afraid to think anything else. -0-

PPS-You're totally wrong; richa pretty much hates -=Dark_Angel=-. -0-

PPPS-"Most" isn't a save, it's a qualifier. Only an purebred dim would think it's anything else, but that's because only dims (including most Americans) think mainly in clodheaded generalizations themselves. -0-

[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > zodiac | 15-Aug-04/7:35 AM | Reply
Ok, zodiac. Fine to join in. But in future I would ask that you share your opinions with the rest of the group before attacking other opinions. Nobody here would claim to know how to solve all the world's problems; it's important that we work together if we're to make any progress. Sometimes other peoples' opinions are bulging and wallyish, but not always. There are times when we can learn a great deal by viewing an issue from a different perspective, wouldn't you agree? Thanks for listening, and I hope to hear from you soon!
[8] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 16-Aug-04/7:52 AM | Reply
Very well.

I respectfully submit (or re-submit) that the term 'PC' as it's used in America always refers to cliquish whitefolk who are embarrassed about not knowing any real Coloureds and think referring to Females and Homos as Persons will improve their chances of getting laid by one or the other. Anyone who has ever met a Coloured or Homo or spent any time in the company of Females knows this is not the case. In addition, 'PiCs' (or 'Persons with PC', as they would have it,) have historically shown themselves to be frightful racistists, sexistists, dunceistists and generally stuck-up virgin introverts. They laugh at 'un-PC humor' because they think it's genuinely funny and true, so their laughter is almost always a kind of lewd repressed giggle and disgusting. If I've mentioned once on this and similar posts, I've mentioned a thousand times that SupremeDreamer has never been nearer to Deep South than Oakland (cf. the adjective 'cold' used in reference to Mississippi), and that despite coming from a renowned hotbed of political correctness, he has never in his life been correct, to say nothing of politically correct.

cat,

I'm sorry to have been so hard on you before, but your continually saying things like 'friends of the rainbow that is earth', 'prejudice' instead of 'prejudiced', 'semantics' instead of god-knows-what, and other irrational gobbledygook pisses me off beyond belief, for reasons which probably have more to do with my own hopeless gay introversion than your dimness or whatever. I hope you can come to see me as a decent guy who just feels really bad about himself because he doesn't have any friends or something (and so 'takes it out' on 'aspiring internet poets' in rambling anonymous tirades,) and if we ever meet in public, I know you'll think I'm a nice guy with real feelings. Anyway, no hard feelings (I hope!;-p) Thanks for helping to make poemranker all it can be! PS-I read all your poems and you're all aces! -zodiac
[n/a] cat @ 64.164.170.252 > zodiac | 20-Aug-04/12:25 PM | Reply
dear zodiac,

Britishist, what the hell does that mean, I simply was validating Richa's superiority to those around him, I've heard of anglophile, but Britishist, does this mean I do or do not like British people, well I do like the boys they make good masters...

I thought I finished hurting your feelings on my page.

Most is a save for your information tenderhearted human:

Definition of qualifier-
A word or phrase that qualifies, limits, or modifies the meaning of another word or phrase.

That translates into save.

Oh I get it you don't understand what someone is saying unless it's taken word from word from a book

Why don't you go back and comment on your 3078th poem.

Silly human, I will be waiting for your response.

I do my business in the passenger seat of your car.

meow,

cat

oh since you like the whole post script thing.

i'd bet all my catnip that richa and dark angel are involved in some kind of relationship or live together, i'm sure of that, i guess you don't get the whole male female relationship dynamic, because you are single, because you are too busy on poemranker...lololol
[8] zodiac @ 212.118.11.85 > cat | 22-Aug-04/5:43 AM | Reply
Xist means something like 'influenced by or attentive to the quality X'. I meant it in the sense that you're influenced negatively by the fact of someone's being British, racist, sexist and so on, which I'd think was easy enough to figure out from context.

Your comment on 'saves'/qualifiers is utterly shortsighted. Saying a qualifier and 'save' are the same thing is like saying the statement 'X - 2 > 0 for all numbers greater than 2' is weak because I 'saved' it by limiting the possible Xs to >2. If you can't see why that's a dim thing to say, you need your retinas reattached.

I've never said anything about how many poems I have or haven't read or commented on. Please stop making silly assumptions.

PS-I'm married to a woman. And 'lololol' doesn't make any sense to me.

Thanks,
zodiac
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.216.59 > cat | 14-Aug-04/9:17 AM | Reply
'I guess no one told you that is not the case'

Did you interview more than fifty percent of the population to arrive at this statement then.

Disclaimer: This would be the logical conclusion had what you said about me not having known most of the population meaning I can not judge how well liked minorities are. This reasoning should not be attached to the author of the comment and further argument toward the man should be avoided.
[n/a] cat @ 64.168.52.224 > richa | 14-Aug-04/9:44 AM | Reply
dear richa,

That obviously was me being mean. It made you say you'd break my little cute kitty leg, yes I said I'd scratch your futon, but that is only a minor crime, breaking a sweet kitty’s legs, that's just cruel and unusual and I can only guess that was because of my clever thought provoking comments implying that your friends were deceiving you.

I’m glad I didn’t tell you about your best friend and that girl you like at the library.

I in no could have privy to information that your friends do or do not have on you or what they are or are not telling you, but I will admit one thing, I was talking out my ass on the above point, so do you admit that you were talking out your ass on the most people statement.

Opinion alright, but now you are trying to act as if it is a fact, dude, really.

Come on, say uncle, if you do I promise from now on I'll be a good kitty that will only do my business in the litter box.

meow,

cat

p.s. i'm a cat and cat's are known to be liars, as of right now i’m getting ready to cook and sauté your favorite goldfish, yum good.
[0] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.135 > cat | 14-Aug-04/10:09 AM | Reply
You have taken a totally wrong-headed approach to this conversation. If someone says "In my opinion, X" then they think X is a fact. If someone says "In fact, X" then they think X is a fact. They are both opinions, and they are both asserted to be facts. You want everyone to prefix all their assertions with "In my opinion,...". But that is obviously both impractical, and redundant. Have a look at your original dig at the unpc community:

"The thing I find most fascinating about people who hate PC is that they feel like somehow the dreaded “PC” has some how shackled them..."

Did you say "In my opinion the thing I find most fascinating about people who hate PC..."? No. You just stated your opinion. Have you spoken to every politically incorrect person? No. Does that matter? Well if you had it would add weight to your argument, but it doesn't mean you're wrong, or that your assertion is completely unfounded. Noone came back at you with jibes about having never done a thorough survey. Richa just gave you his opinion on the matter, which was that political correctness hadn't changed our attitudes. I said I thought political correctness was symptomatic of a change in attitudes. And then you blurted in with the "most" argument. For pity's sake, you should have shared your opinion with the rest of the group when you had the chance. What do you really think most people feel about political correctness?
[10] frdup717 @ 4.29.181.60 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 19-Aug-04/12:26 PM | Reply
jeeze..............you guys have had alot to say on this subject.
but it seems to me that you are all saying the same thing in one way or another..........what brought about such an argument?
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