Re: a comment on Dying Abroad by zodiac	6-Feb-05/12:28 AM
Q: Does that "small rain" thing get you a lot of women? I bet it does. I came back the day after posting this to change the sibilant line. Then Shuushin said he liked it, and I thought how I haven't been nice enough to him recently. For yourself, consider it changed. The adjective could possibly be "whispering" instead. Or something such.
Re: a comment on A Thing I Must Do by Dovina	6-Feb-05/12:10 AM
DOVINA: "It reflects poorly on your kind." ZODIAC: No, no. I'm asking when I've ever said "ONE OF A KIND" or "MERELY". What? I haven't said those words exactly? Then you've gotten the wrong idea about things. Now give it up.
Re: a comment on A Thing I Must Do by Dovina	5-Feb-05/11:49 PM
Hey, ace conclusion. Now let's see if you can find where I've used either "one of a kind" or "merely" in any of my comments to you ever.
Re: a comment on Girly by Dovina	5-Feb-05/11:47 PM
Once again, you've used the word 'merely' where I meant nothing of the sort. Even if you mean it as a joke (by now) stop. And get a fucking clue. I haven't just "heard that 'poetess' and 'girly' are not opposing", I've heard it from Virginia Woolf and a great many of the most respected feminist scholars in America. To use a metaphor you're bound to love, you're doing something like approaching Hank Aaron and saying "that's not a home run, a home run is when you stand naked on second base and trump into the upper bleachers" and then when he asks you why, trumping into his scared darkie face.
Re: Girly by Dovina	5-Feb-05/1:01 AM
As anybody who's read "A Room of One's Own" knows (and that's probably nearly everyone who knows anything), "poetess" and "girly" have never been considered opposing options for women. In fact, poetry is historically the domain of good domestic girls, being usually somewhat shallower and more maudlin than other literary forms, and also easier to write during soapopera commercials. That you don't already know this is yet another stain on your much besmirch'd reputation. I predict you'll say something about how this poem is not about girls and poetesses, but rather about something unrelated and at present unimaginable.
Re: a comment on A Thing I Must Do by Dovina	5-Feb-05/12:49 AM
I don't need to go for empowerment. I'm empowered by birth, being a man and a White. Are the reasons "to fuck"?
Re: a comment on A Thing I Must Do by Dovina	5-Feb-05/12:47 AM
ZODIAC: "It reflects poorly on your kind." DOVINA: zodiac's "saying I am merely one of a "kind".
Re: a comment on Psalm of Wonder by Dovina	5-Feb-05/12:46 AM
re: "and for that you unjustly poked criticism." No, I really meant your response to my comment. I was just afraid of it being misplaced, so I tagged it on your last comment on that string. Sorry. re: The rest. Jesus Christ. You're a long way from that.
Re: a comment on Psalm of Wonder by Dovina	4-Feb-05/4:08 AM
I don't understand how anything you've said really responds to my comment above. Would you mind clarifying? If I get you right (and I'm not at all certain I do), things are heading in something like the following direction: DOVINA: People (should) find God a hard guy to like because he often crushes them like insects with little or no warning, and probably no concern on his part (cf. your poem). ZODIAC: But God knows those people are going to heaven, so he's not bound to care for their insectly earthly lives. DOVINA: Who says there's a heaven just because there's a God? ZODIAC: Most people. DOVINA: That's because people want to believe God made a heaven. Maybe he didn't. ZODIAC: Indeed maybe he didn't. It seems just as likely that he didn't as that he did. But considering that the point of this poem (or the only one I can imagine it having) is to make most people question why they think God is so swell (since he crushes people etc etc), then it's a bunk argument. Any person in the world put in that position is bound to say, Because he made a nice heaven for us to go to after we're crushed. Incidentally, I know I'm paraphrasing something awful above. Please, please don't make the gist of your response that I've paraphrased something. You and I both know perfectly well what was really said, and if we forget, we have the comments above to reread. If you do, I'm afraid I can't be your friend anymore. :-(
Re: Girly by Dovina	4-Feb-05/3:51 AM
I have a feeling you think you're responding to someone on this site. Who? Have you read "A Room of One's Own"?
Re: a comment on A Thing I Must Do by Dovina	4-Feb-05/3:43 AM
Why do you think empowerment for women is nonsense? At any rate, I haven't presumed any reasons, just pointed out that "this poem is about a woman performing nude in a male arena for a lone watching man and thinking that's liberation". If I've presumed anything, it's that the undressed character is woman, for one, and she thinks her action is liberating, for another. If I'm wrong on either of these points, sorry. But then this poem has even less point than I've previously imagined. I suspect nentwined misplaces my comments and not yours because while you reply to comments and are replied to in a more or less one-to-one fashion (ie, one of your conversations makes a nice diagonal from top left to bottom right) made possible by your ubiquitous presence on poemranker, I can only make it online an hour a day (and at the end of your long day of posting, at that,) and spend a lot of my time replying to comments that have already gotten answers from others. The comment-heirarchy bug misplaces this kind of comments. Eg, if I reply to your "I believe in telling" comment now, nentwined'll put me after richa's comment or your "Please, let's not rehash that". That, and I think he's racist against Islams.
Re: a comment on A Thing I Must Do by Dovina	4-Feb-05/3:29 AM
Sorry. I was under the impression that the bulk of your last couple of arguments centers around the following misunderstanding: SOME USER: On average, people are better than yeasts. DOVINA: You miss the point. A few yeasts are superintelligent telekinetics. As far as I can remember, I've never said anything about you being merely one of a 'kind'. You might want to check my above message a little more carefully, and then stop misusing words like "merely", "seems", "meaningful" and "hopeless Gay introvert" for what I can only imagine you consider insult value.
Re: a comment on Depth of Illusion by Beyond_Dreams	2-Feb-05/10:19 PM
Look, here's the typical reaction to this poem now: "This is just like Byron's, only not as good." Of course you don't HAVE to change anything. But you do have to change it if you don't want people to think "This is just like Byron's, only not as good."
Re: a comment on A Thing I Must Do by Dovina	2-Feb-05/10:16 PM
I'm not sure exactly what you think the subject is, but this conversation was STARTED days ago by the phrases "on average" and "spatial awareness." Ergo, the subject. I suspect you know you don't have a leg to stand on to argue either of these, and that's why you're trying to get away from them. That, or you're higher than I've imagined possible. Please, please, stop responding to everybody's comments with things like "Many men are good at matching a dress to earrings. Many women can beat a man to death with his own shoes". We're talking about AVERAGES. PS-This not only reflects poorly on yourself. It reflects poorly on your kind. PPS-You're bound to be getting an idea of where you're wrong on averages by now. If so, you're bound to say zodiac contradicted himself right there. If we're distinguishing individual women from the average, how can I reflect poorly. Here's how: (Sum of all women's reasoning faculties minus Dovina's)/(Women in the world minus Dovina) > (Sum of all women's reasoning faculties including Dovina's)/(Women in the world)
Re: A Thing I Must Do by Dovina	2-Feb-05/10:03 PM
God, I can't risk having nentwined misplace my reply again. Who knows where it would end up this time - on Brittanyy's last post, probably. Dovina, most feminists believe the sexes are different. Unequal, too, if you mean predisposed to different aptitudes and weaknesses which probably come out even if you can tally them all somehow and give things like petitpoint and soapopera-watching the same value as waging and winning wars and inventing aircrafts. You probably do; and I, with some qualifications, agree. That's not the point. The point is this poem is about a woman performing nude in a male arena for a lone watching man and thinking that's liberation. It's not. It's strippers' logic. If you were really empowered, you'd keep your clothes on.
Re: a comment on Psalm of Wonder by Dovina	2-Feb-05/9:43 PM
What other reason would there be for a God? To manage my insect life for me? To make sure I don't suddenly fall off the ground and hurtle at incredible velocity into the big solid underside of some cloud? Part of the definition of God is 'Big person who lives in heaven and judges who to put in heaven and who to condemn to wool trousers and too-tight stocking caps forever'. The number of people who've altogether EVER lived on earth who believed in God but didn't believe in some afterlife or other is, like, zero. Where we all run around contradicting ourselves all over the place is thinking there is some great afterlife, we're all going to be saved, whoever's not saved deserves it, and it sucks when God whemies some poor bastard, sinner or not, out the other side. If you believe in any God, that's simply garbage. PS-Considering that I don't really believe in God, I probably am a very silly person.
Re: A love apple's just a tomato (edit of "Uprooting") by fevriere	1-Feb-05/10:00 PM
The apples took me by surprise. Don't know why.
Re: My Heroes by MacFrantic	1-Feb-05/9:58 PM
Were your heroes cows? Yes, they have.
Re: A Thing I Must Do by Dovina	1-Feb-05/9:56 PM
Do you consider yourself a feminist? I say again, this isn't bad. But questionably feminist, if that.
Re: a comment on Depth of Illusion by Beyond_Dreams	1-Feb-05/9:33 PM
Well, now I'm telling you. One of the most famous lines of poetry ever goes "She walks in beauty, like the night". That you've independently created a line of poetry almost exactly like it probably means you're a staggering genius. Unfortunately for you, Byron beat you to it by about two hundred years. Now it's your responsibility to change yours, especially since Byron can't very well change his, having been Greeked to death before your greatgreatgreat grandmother was born.