Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	25-Dec-05/11:58 AM
I disagree.
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	25-Dec-05/11:58 AM
It's not an argument, it's a gift.
Re: Apocalypse has come to end by Prince of Void	24-Dec-05/12:43 PM
I started reading this poem "Void has come to void" and replacing all nouns, verbs and adjectives with "void", and found that it was identical to all your other poems. If you have ever read a poem, I'm a cod.
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	24-Dec-05/12:23 PM
I'm with you, of course. I'm sure Brodsky would say The baby is God, he can perceive whatever the fuck he wants.
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	24-Dec-05/12:22 PM
Sure, you want to. Everybody wants to. Unfortunately, that's about as useful as depicting everybody having a billion dollars. Yes, you would think racial harmony has been achieved to a greater extent. You live in Southern California, the most segregated place in America. Seriously.
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	24-Dec-05/12:04 PM
No, I meant the Brodsky poem as your Christmas gift. I think it's ace.
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	24-Dec-05/12:03 PM
What's wrong with your English lately? I mean that seriously. Regarding the poem: I simply don't think mush is the solution to America's - or the world's - race problems. For one, it's not all that nostalgic, unless you mean it nostalgically hearkens back to when white people had simpler, more "colorful" ideas of what other races are all about. For two, Michael Jackson and a bunch of white guys sing a song about how everyone's together, black, white and yellow, and suddenly racism, continuing oppression, denied opportunities and such just DISAPPEAR? No, but a bunch of white people smile and tap their toes and go on about their business with little heartglows of undeserved righteousness. Then Hurricane Katrina obliterates a black ghetto of shoddily-constructed slum houses and everybody's like, How'd all our black people end up in one place? And such a desperate, dangerous, hellish place, at that?
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	24-Dec-05/11:10 AM
The star looked in across the threshold. The only one of them who could Know the meaning of that look Was the infant. But He did not speak. - Joseph Brodsky, trans. Seamus Heaney
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	24-Dec-05/10:45 AM
Who said I think it's only stereotypical racism? I think it's also well-intentioned mush, pure fantasy, a loving gaze in a wrong, and useless, direction, and other things. That's part of what's so dangerous about it. Nice dig with "admit', though.
Re: Train of Thought by Sisterwolf	24-Dec-05/9:44 AM
"in escape" in the last line could be better worded. And I agree with whoever said you should put some periods at the ends of your sentences. Possibly also break up this big block of text into couplets or tercets. (Yes, I know it's supposed to be endless as a train, but poemranker's fixed-width text makes long stretches like this look positively Everestlike.) Otherwise, this isn't bad. I wasn't blown away, but you kept me reading til the end.
Re: a comment on Obituary for the Moon by wilco	24-Dec-05/9:38 AM
Is "Very unique voice here. Edgy and filled with imagery. Good stuff here" helpful to the poet?
Re: The Prince by elderking	23-Dec-05/7:44 AM
Don't believe him. He's really a frog.
Re: P.S + Post Script by celticskatermatt1	23-Dec-05/7:43 AM
The next time an allusion forms in your mind, write it down. It'll make your poetry more interesting. "scricten"? Maybe you mean scriven?
Re: a comment on It's Time by PoeticXTC	23-Dec-05/7:39 AM
In the Zeno sense, cyan9 would have done just as well saying the length of one Cornish headland was infinite. Or his penis.
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	23-Dec-05/7:38 AM
(1) I don't think a geneticist would think so. I think a geneticist would be pissed, and a little saddened, to see his life's work summarized so. (1a) "But there was, on a structural level, very, very little difference between them, geneticists say." (2) Any adjectives you used would be stereotypical, because they'd still be giving entire races/instruments broad, *typical* qualities. That's what stereotype means. (3) I know. Merry Christmas. (4) I thought we'd agreed. You're not racist. Your poems occasionally are. "You've still managed to be racist" is sloppy expression; I'll try to avoid that in the future.
Re: a comment on It's Time by PoeticXTC	23-Dec-05/7:27 AM
Yes, you're making sense. But no, I don't believe the British coastline is infinite. It's very, very long, surely, and would take a very, very long time to measure. Just not an "infinite" amount of time. On a similar note, I just read that the German lunatic Otto Leuben once bet that he could turn a deck of cards in a specific order. He turned cards every day, ten hours a day, for ten years before he succeeded, after about four-and-a-half million tries.
Re: a comment on Mixed Quartet by Dovina	22-Dec-05/9:53 AM
PS-In case you've missed the point of the last ten debates on this subject (both -=Dark_Angel=-'s side and mine), the point is that only you find it *useful* to group people into races with certain stereotypical characteristics, goals, etc - not that there are no races. And then only you find it useful to "accuse" other users of "labelling" whilst twirling in your own cloud of self-righteousness.
Re: Mixed Quartet by Dovina	22-Dec-05/9:47 AM
(1) Geneticists don't say. They say race as a biological construct depends on a very small genetic difference. No geneticist would deny that there is a difference, ergo different races. Only your straw man would say that. Surely you can see the distinction. DOVINA: Some random comment of zodiac's on race. ZODIAC: You are kind of clueless, aren't you? (2) Geneticists say nothing about the cultural or other differences between races, which seem to be the basis for the rest of your poem. Unless you're going to argue that latinos are genetically "soulish". (3) Despite all that, you've still managed to be racist. The whites are the "analytical" ones? Please get over yourself. DOVINA: Some random denial. ZODIAC: Your metaphor has Asians "quick" and "precise", whites "sharp" and "analytical", latins "soulish" and "devoted" - and blacks "smooth" and "limber"??!? Tell me, were you ever planning on giving blacks mental or psychological features, like you gave the other races? Or just physical ones, brutes that they are? What mental features would you give them? (Suggestions: Docile! Brooding! Rhythmical!) Does it bother you that, at best, this poem is a dictionary of outdated racial stereotypes obviously written by someone with little experience of other races and a profound, unacknowledged sense of white superiority? DOVINA: You've failed to get it. I'm talking about instruments. ZODIAC: If you say that you're the biggest guffer ever and ought to crawl in a hole and die of shame. DOVINA: You've failed to get it. I'm talking about instruments. I'm clever. ZODIAC: ...
Re: a comment on Just for Show (Suicide revised) by sliver	22-Dec-05/9:29 AM
Old fashioned girls are fun.
Re: philosophy of a new age by crazyknight	22-Dec-05/9:27 AM
PS-Your haiku is wrong.