Re: Dizzy by phbiscuit	2-Jan-04/5:40 PM
I liked this one too. It's also whimsical, like deadweight, but less gothic. I really am a sucker for whimsy. check out my pome Taller Girl, it has a spinning girl in it too. Assuming your spinner is a girl. Woman. Female. Person. You know.
Re: a comment on Drag me Down, Deadweight by phbiscuit	2-Jan-04/5:33 PM
in the last stanza they are divided, the abandoned shells of selves washed ashore and now things of beauty (and no longer deadweights) while their true selves, or souls, walk (now unencumbered) in the depths. I'm not sure if I would characterize the fantasy as melodramatic or whimsical. I'm going to go with whimsical because I liked it and it's cool to like whimsy but not cool to like melodrama.
Re: a comment on Who am I? by thepinkbunnyofdoom	21-Mar-03/9:48 AM
wow cool, that's exactly what I do! And if I accidentally do have any meaning, I cut it out and re-embed it in nonsense by using words that rhyme or are spoonerisms of or have other relationships with the key words in the deleted sentences.
Re: PIGS of the world by wLeBlanc IIIw	21-Mar-03/5:35 AM
ho-ho, busted! the complaint link isn't working... the male model is a tawdry thief.
Re: a comment on Live by Luv2write	20-Mar-03/5:01 PM
you, zzinnia, are both knotty and naughty. whether it's velcro or laces, SOMETHING must be done...
Re: a comment on Live by Luv2write	20-Mar-03/4:59 PM
I'm not ALL prawne, only the most important part. It started growing those little legs when I was eight, to the shock and horror of my family and the family doctor, and it wasn't until I was in my late teens that I learned they could be an advantage. What does one have to do to be Jesu? I met the Lady Jesus in Berkeley -- oh she was a hoot, she came from somewhere out of the midwest, well-dressed, educated cultured voice with just a hint of midwest accent, 5'2" with long corn husk hair, tanned like a country girl, late-thirties and stunningly beautiful, she believed with complete congruence that she was the "Lady Jesus." When she told you so she'd look straight into your eyes and say it with a quiet conviction that'd send shivers down your spine. Maybe Luv2write is a Lady Jesus in the making. Ain't schizophrenia a beautiful thing? They say such dark and lovely things, I love to listen to them.
Re: a comment on Live by Luv2write	20-Mar-03/10:32 AM
Oh you did! Can you explain it to me please -- I'm quite stupid. Exactly why was it important to God to have 32000 terrified girls watch the "Children of God" hack their mothers and brothers and older sisters to death with bronze swords? Having read Numbers, Joshua, Deuteronomy, and Revelations you understand then that you are a follower of a God who commits and demands that his followers commit genocide on a regular basis. If your beliefs are true, if Revelations is true and you make the grade, you yourself will ride behind Christ at the end of times, participating in an act of mass slaughter. Now tell me: why should I have any more respect for your beliefs, or any less loathing than for those of any other follower of a genocidal leader -- than for the followers of Hitler or Lenin?
Re: a comment on Live by Luv2write	19-Mar-03/4:45 PM
what a crock. I was raised a hardcore fundamentalist christian, leaving it was far far harder emotionally than staying. I was abandoning my family, my community. But stuff like Numbers 31 and Psalm 137 (which I came across when I was 16) just don't cut it with me. Even if he is real, I won't serve a god who tells his followers to do such things. Would you, really, Luv2write? Have you ever read Numbers 31? Or Joshua? Read Numbers 31 and make it into a story, dramatize it in your head, from the point of view of one of the 32,000 Midianite virgin girls divvied up among the Israelite men after they had slaughtered everyone she'd ever known. How would she feel about god? I DARE you to read Numbers 31 and make a vivid story of it in your head. Your god ordered that done.
Re: I'll Break You Down by Crakyamuni	18-Mar-03/12:15 PM
roll again, please
Re: a comment on Live by Luv2write	18-Mar-03/10:07 AM
No, it's important to fervently not to believe in him in case he's real: "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth"
Re: a comment on Live by Luv2write	18-Mar-03/9:03 AM
In my experience, you can't get Christians with syllogisms. It's a waste of time, they just always fall back gracefully to the Paul's "divine mystery" in ephesians. You have to get them on morality, pointing out that their faith requires them to accept acts by and at the command of god that simply don't measure up to current standards of morality. Hammer at a christian this way and you CAN shake their faith. Logic has no effect, if logic was important to them they would already not be a christian all on their own.
Re: a comment on the salt shaker by elizabethann	18-Mar-03/8:54 AM
After sev'ral eruptions of sick stomach linings become most un-thick who cares if it's true my point to construe requires you to not be such a prick! ...and if you were REALLY clever you'd spar with me in limericks ;)
Re: a comment on Live by Luv2write	18-Mar-03/2:41 AM
lol. I have read the bible -- the WHOLE bible. Many parts of it I've read many times. I grew up in a family of preachers. I once memorized Romans & a large chunk of Acts. I was on a winning Bible Quiz Team. Your childish theology is so at odds with the actual text of the bible you clearly have NOT actually read it yourself.
Re: a comment on Live by Luv2write	17-Mar-03/6:01 PM
what do we call someone who demands that others worship them? (hint: narcissistic) According to your beliefs, what will god do to me if I choose not to worship him? (hint: torture me for ever and ever)
Re: a comment on Blue Fuckin' Moon by lastobelus	17-Mar-03/4:27 PM
Thank you. Please give me more info! Like I said to p&k, this is a "pet poem" for me, such that I'm unable to step outside of it and see where it's broken. I know it fails, from having watched hundreds of people read it and not buy it (way back in my street poet days) but I don't know how and where. ha, ha you read at slams a lot so I know you heard the last lines in your head like I read'm.
Re: the salt shaker by elizabethann	17-Mar-03/3:37 PM
better. I like it. one thing jars for me: "eating away the lining" The image of drinking tears is quite vivid for me, and plausible enough that I want to imagine it being true, that you do literally drink the tears. I want to put myself in the poem and vicariously feel the salt burning my throat. But then, if they ate away the lining of your stomach, you'd be dead and unable to have written the poem. By being TOO strong, it disassociates me, throws me out of the poem. See what I mean? If I were editing this poem, I would change away to at, "eating at the lining". Then I can still vicariously experience it. Lots of people might disagree with me though, some people like their images and metaphors as over-the-top as you can make 'em.
Re: While flipping over stones by <{Baba^Yaga}>	17-Mar-03/1:57 PM
love it muchly
Re: a comment on lost by elizabethann	17-Mar-03/10:59 AM
really? What is the consensus on the meaning of "that were never there"? 9/11 never happened, it was a media conspiracy? A mass hallucination by New Yorkers? It's as if they were never there because everybody's forgotten? What does it MEAN elizabethann? I think it's bullshit. Gratuitous. An cheap attempt to allude to mystery THAT ISN'T IN THE PIECE ITSELF. I'm going to pick on you for a while because you do the same kind of bullshit I did and called it poetry when I was a teenager until somebody kicked me in the teeth long enough that I started thinking about what I was writing (not that that helps me much, lol, but whatever)
Re: a comment on lost by elizabethann	17-Mar-03/10:17 AM
A long time ago, I used to think that my poetry was good because it was hard to understand. After many years I realized my poetry was hard to understand because I was an untalented hack who's unable to say things clearly and precisely. So I got a job.
Re: a comment on lost by elizabethann	17-Mar-03/10:02 AM
JESUS CHRIST, HOW COULD YOU DO SUCH THINGS TO A POOR INNOCENT LITTLE INFANT!!!!!!!!!!!!