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Live

by Luv2write

Member since 2003 · Posted 11 Mar 2003 · Edited 19 Mar 2003 · 36 comments

We can live for every moment We can die for what we love We can dream of sunny days to come And what awaits us up above We can plan our futures to a 't' We can live with hope to share We can imagine Heaven's pearly gates And what life will be like there We can strive for every goal we have We can reach for distant stars We can long for what we do not have And what will never be ours We can hope for the best in all we do We can deal with what life gives We can be free in knowing when we die Forever in Christ we'll live

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[0] lastobelus 12-Mar-03/1:52 PM Reply
hmmm, what will you be thinking, while you're squirming around inside the scapegoat christ, about the 95% of humans who ever lived that your god is torturing for no other reason than that they didn't dedicate their lives to satisfying his narcissism? Numbers 31, that's who you serve.
[n/a] Luv2write › lastobelus 17-Mar-03/5:38 PM Reply
Why should we accept only blessings from God? If we don't accept the bad things we are selfish drones, but that's what I've come to expect from the world. Without suffering, there would be no compassion. You don't think Christians are tortured? We go through the same things as the secular world- addictions, death, tragedy... but we have someone so strong that we are pulled out of the pit of sorrow. 100% of the people on this planet go through hell during their lives. God sent His son to die for us so we wouldn't have to stay there. He's not narcissistic, however the oceans and the stars and all the natural beauty of the world reflects his perfect and holy face. "It is better to be born twice and die once than to be born once and die twice." Figure that one out.
[0] lastobelus › Luv2write 17-Mar-03/6:01 PM Reply
what do we call someone who demands that others worship them? (hint: narcissistic)

According to your beliefs, what will god do to me if I choose not to worship him? (hint: torture me for ever and ever)
[n/a] Luv2write › lastobelus 17-Mar-03/6:50 PM Reply
Well if you created the universe, wouldn't you want people to worship you too? If you sent your son to the world and they crucified him, sent him to hell for 3 days, and then rose again to take away all their sins, because he was perfect, wouldn't you want people to worship you? If you performed miracles every day wouldn't you want people to worship you? God will not torture you more if you don't worship him. Well, you'll go to hell if you don't receive him, but that's Satan's fault. We will all suffer on earth, but we will either suffer in eternity in Hell or we will rise and live a perfect life in heaven. It's up to you. Make your choice. (PS God tested Job to prove his faith. He makes us all struggle no matter what. Read the Bible and get over your unknowing pride.)
[0] lastobelus › Luv2write 18-Mar-03/2:41 AM Reply
lol. I have read the bible -- the WHOLE bible. Many parts of it I've read many times. I grew up in a family of preachers. I once memorized Romans & a large chunk of Acts. I was on a winning Bible Quiz Team.

Your childish theology is so at odds with the actual text of the bible you clearly have NOT actually read it yourself.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › lastobelus 18-Mar-03/8:10 AM Reply
It is your "theology" that is childish. Here is some non-childish theology.

(a) God does not do things by accident
(b) Therefore everything He does must be intentional
(c) God sees all things
(d) Your bum is a thing
(e) Therefore God is looking at your bum
(f) He cannot be looking at your bum by accident
(g) Therefore He is intentionally looking at your bum
(h) QED
[n/a] <~> › Luv2write 20-Mar-03/6:34 AM Reply
get off it. we are so many ants. beloved ants, but ants. if there is a god, do you think he has stopped creating? do you think that he wants every single thing he has created to sing his praises 24-7? did he create us merely to fuel his ego? of does he thrive on cacophany? i, for one, cannot sing in tune. last time i was in church, i wasn't the only one. i guess your god is some sort of kidergarten teacher who loves the voices of all his creations raised and praising, like good little humans? and is it just us humans that need to praise him? what about the ants? are we decreasing the volume of god's praise when we kill ants? won't we be damned for that?

personally, i think that god probably wants a nice fire and a glass of scotchbehind closed doors in his snug, now and again. no noise but the crackling of the spiders on the firewood.

maybe that's why he's bring armageddon on us?
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › Luv2write 18-Mar-03/8:04 AM Reply
>> Without suffering, there would be no compassion.

Yeah but without suffering, there would also be no suffering. Let us suppose that the aim of compassion is to reduce suffering. Surely any compassionate being would want to live in a World without suffering. Is there compassion in Heaven? You utter weiner.

Consider this:

(a) God made all things
(b) Hell is a thing
(c) Therefore God made Hell
(d) If He hadn't made Hell, then no-one would have to go to Hell.

So why did He make Hell? Before you answer, consider this:

(a) God is perfect
(b) God has free will
(c) Therefore it is possible to be perfect AND still have free will
(d) So God could have made us all perfect beings with free will
(e) Then there would be no suffering
(f) But He did not do this
(g) Why?
(h) IT CANNOT BE BECAUSE HE WANTED US TO HAVE FREE WILL
[0] lastobelus › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 18-Mar-03/9:03 AM Reply
In my experience, you can't get Christians with syllogisms. It's a waste of time, they just always fall back gracefully to the Paul's "divine mystery" in ephesians. You have to get them on morality, pointing out that their faith requires them to accept acts by and at the command of god that simply don't measure up to current standards of morality. Hammer at a christian this way and you CAN shake their faith. Logic has no effect, if logic was important to them they would already not be a christian all on their own.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › lastobelus 18-Mar-03/9:55 AM Reply
But if you do that they just say "Oh but God would never command me to do that". Besides, I'm not trying to convert anyone. I just want them to know, deep down, what a prime bollock they are. Whether they admit it or not is a matter for that cone to decide.

Also, if they lost their faith because it conflicted with whatever morals happened to be in vogue, then they are losing it for the wrong reasons, and as far as my pants are concerned, not believing in Jesu for the wrong reason is just as naughty as believing in Jesu for the wrong reason.

Anyway I do believe in Jesu. Don't you?
[0] lastobelus › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 18-Mar-03/10:07 AM Reply
No, it's important to fervently not to believe in him in case he's real:

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth"
[n/a] -=SeTTle=- › lastobelus 18-Mar-03/10:23 AM Reply
Yeah but still mate I mean youve got to make a choice and personally well I'm choosing to go to Heaven what about u?
[n/a] Luv2write › -=SeTTle=- 19-Mar-03/2:57 PM Reply
It's not a simple choice... well, it is, but it's difficult to make. 1) you have to mean it 2) you have to surrender 3) you have to want it. It's hard for people to give their lives to Christ because they think Christians have no fun, but we do. We're not boring sinless freaks, we make mistakes like everyone else. We just have a fogiving God and they would too if they would accept Him. What do you think?
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › Luv2write 19-Mar-03/3:50 PM Reply
Tell me, Luv2write: Do you think that it is a good thing that Christians make mistakes? Do you think that being sinless is boring?

It's hard for people to give their lives to Christ because Christianity is complete and utter bullshit. It's so obviously bullshit. The vast majority of Christians are only Christians because they have grown up with Christian beliefs and are too scared to let (one) go. The fact that the majority of religious people adopt the religion of those about them makes it OBVIOUS that it is their environment, rather than any sort of divine experience of Jesu, that has led them to choose such a religion.

If you believe in Christianity, but still refuse to give your life to Christ because you think Christians have no fun, then you are either insane or so unbelievably stupid that I seriously doubt you even wear trousers.

Besides, Christians don't have fun. I've been to Christian social events, and all they consist of is a load of smug idiots in sandals singing Christian folk songs. You can tell by their faces that they are utterly weak and probably think that wooden toys are better than plastic toys because they are more traditional. Wooden toys are so beautiful.
[n/a] Luv2write › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 19-Mar-03/6:27 PM Reply
So what is there in the secular world that is more fun than anything Christians can do?
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › Luv2write 20-Mar-03/1:14 AM Reply
Having it off before you get married.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › Luv2write 20-Mar-03/1:14 AM Reply
Sleeping in on Sunday morning.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › Luv2write 20-Mar-03/1:16 AM Reply
Running into a butcher's shop, demanding that he strap you into a harness made of his finest cured meats, and then breaking wind in his parlor while he completes the harness.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › Luv2write 20-Mar-03/4:04 AM Reply
Riding out into the desert with your young acolyte, performing a series of magickal rituals just to look cool, and then buggering him senseless under the scorching midday sun.
[0] lastobelus › Luv2write 19-Mar-03/4:45 PM Reply
what a crock. I was raised a hardcore fundamentalist christian, leaving it was far far harder emotionally than staying. I was abandoning my family, my community.

But stuff like Numbers 31 and Psalm 137 (which I came across when I was 16) just don't cut it with me. Even if he is real, I won't serve a god who tells his followers to do such things.

Would you, really, Luv2write? Have you ever read Numbers 31? Or Joshua? Read Numbers 31 and make it into a story, dramatize it in your head, from the point of view of one of the 32,000 Midianite virgin girls divvied up among the Israelite men after they had slaughtered everyone she'd ever known. How would she feel about god? I DARE you to read Numbers 31 and make a vivid story of it in your head. Your god ordered that done.
[n/a] Luv2write › lastobelus 19-Mar-03/6:17 PM Reply
I read Numbers 31 when I was 15 and fully comprehended the importance of it then. Try Psalm 31.
[0] lastobelus › Luv2write 20-Mar-03/10:32 AM Reply
Oh you did! Can you explain it to me please -- I'm quite stupid.

Exactly why was it important to God to have 32000 terrified girls watch the "Children of God" hack their mothers and brothers and older sisters to death with bronze swords?

Having read Numbers, Joshua, Deuteronomy, and Revelations you understand then that you are a follower of a God who commits and demands that his followers commit genocide on a regular basis. If your beliefs are true, if Revelations is true and you make the grade, you yourself will ride behind Christ at the end of times, participating in an act of mass slaughter.

Now tell me: why should I have any more respect for your beliefs, or any less loathing than for those of any other follower of a genocidal leader -- than for the followers of Hitler or Lenin?
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › lastobelus 20-Mar-03/10:48 AM Reply
Why? Because Jesu is the Son of Jesu. That's why. Neither Hitler nor Lenin were Jesu. Take a look at yourself. You disgusting prawne of a man. You think you've got it all worked out. You think you know the difference between right and wrong. Well I've got news for you, punk: only Jesu knows that. You've been blinded by your own moral preconceptions. I bet I could bring up a baby to believe that wearing shoes was the naughtiest, most immoral thing you could possibly do. You just drill it into them with a drill. So you see, your moral convictions hold just as much sway as my moral conviction that shoes are very naughty indeed. They certainly have just as much justification.
[n/a] <~> › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 20-Mar-03/11:04 AM Reply
i, too, find that shoes can be so very knotty. that's why there's velcro, my friend. it's as if Jesu swooped down in apollo's chariot, and said, "laces, BEGONE!!!!"

amen.
[0] lastobelus › <~> 20-Mar-03/5:01 PM Reply
you, zzinnia, are both knotty and naughty. whether it's velcro or laces, SOMETHING must be done...
[n/a] <~> › lastobelus 20-Mar-03/8:30 PM Reply
and what, sir, do you propose? will it involve your prawne?
FWIW--i don't eat seafood!
[0] lastobelus › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 20-Mar-03/4:59 PM Reply
I'm not ALL prawne, only the most important part. It started growing those little legs when I was eight, to the shock and horror of my family and the family doctor, and it wasn't until I was in my late teens that I learned they could be an advantage.

What does one have to do to be Jesu? I met the Lady Jesus in Berkeley -- oh she was a hoot, she came from somewhere out of the midwest, well-dressed, educated cultured voice with just a hint of midwest accent, 5'2" with long corn husk hair, tanned like a country girl, late-thirties and stunningly beautiful, she believed with complete congruence that she was the "Lady Jesus." When she told you so she'd look straight into your eyes and say it with a quiet conviction that'd send shivers down your spine. Maybe Luv2write is a Lady Jesus in the making.

Ain't schizophrenia a beautiful thing? They say such dark and lovely things, I love to listen to them.
[n/a] Bill Z Bub › lastobelus 19-Mar-03/10:01 PM Reply
I know where you're coming from, lastobelus. I was raised hardcore catholic, then when I was around 10 or 11 my mother was "born again"
as a fundamentalist bible thumping Pentecostal. Because of this I ended up leaving home at the age of 17. It was the most difficult thing I ever did, and
I'm still not over the emotional effects.
[n/a] <{Baba^Yaga}> › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 19-Mar-03/8:43 PM Reply
Sir, are you eating cantaloupe with salt and cherries again. Heaven? Hell? Making? If you had any manipulation over that assembly point of yours you could get up and walk across water. Hell is a thing, and it's for children with ms. I know, i've seen it late at night bumping into my furniture. Yes, hell is a thing. It's an noun with oomph and fizzle. there is no heaven. There is no hell. period. It's all just stories of trial and error and our evolution held in a tiny jewish cranium for sale down the street. Alas operation freedom is underway, yippy.
[6] TanHand 19-Mar-03/7:09 PM Reply
Pop Quiz: what did Kurt Godel, Ludwig Wittgenstein and Werner Heisenberg prove? Answer: you don't know, you can't know, you can't say and you can't understand. This applies to everything. Even Christian theology implies these things. You should stop being so goddamned selfish and give something back to the earth instead of engaging in futile debate concerning what is none of your business. It don't matter. It just don't matter. Oh god we can't even establish causality *WUH HUH HUH* can't observe something without affecting it *SNRKNKNK* language is no better than mathematics, which is a pile of hooey anyway **SBBLLB WUH HUH HUH HUH, HUH WUH WUH** Bertrand Russell where are you now that we need you here?? **WUH HUH HUH** Whitehead?? Anyone??????///////////////////
[n/a] god'swife 19-Mar-03/11:55 PM Reply
The first two lines are horribly cliche. Then you dive right into the juvenile idea of some happy realm in the clouds were everything is lemonade and buttercups. Everything is pretty much the same after that. What are you trying to say? What is important here, new, insightful? You are terribly naive.

Write something meaningful. Write something frightening, tell me something frank and risky about yourself, your faith. This is an easter greetings card, it's not about reality, or living this life. Or the struggle of being a christian for that matter.

Personally, I am an atheist who loves Jesus more than anyone else, more than any other idea. Because of what he tries to teach me. Whether there is a god or not holds no bearing on what Jesus symbolizes. Love, charity, friendship. Infact if there is no god, and Jesus was just some gentle schitzophrenic, his life is that much more poignant.

Is christ really as concerned with what happens to you after you die, as he is with how you live? Paul's the one who keeps going on about the rewards of the afterlife. I mean just for the sake of arguement read the sermon on the mount or any of the parrables but instead of thinking Jesus is talking about what awaits you when you're dead, read it in the context of Jesus telling you what awaits you now, while you're here in this life, if you follow his teachings. Not to judge, but to love. That is so fucking difficult. Look at me, I couldn't be nice to Ornella if you paid me(well maybe if you paid me), and the man I have loved deeply for 7 years just dumped me, and what do I want to do? Buy a gun and shot him because of the unbearable pain I'm his brought me. That's why I love Jesus, because he offers me salvation from being such a lousy selfish impulsive animal. He says to me, "Hey, what about love. What about treating these horrible people the way you'd want them to treat you"? Because I'm horrible too, intil I train myself not to be, and for me personally, the best teacher, the one it's easiest to understand, is Christ. That is all, that's why my faith in him is important.

There is no afterlife. No heaven. No hell. Most christians interpret "The kingdom of god is at hand" as meaning the end is near. Maybe it means this place here, this only existence we can be sure of, could be the kingdom of god if we just did right by each other.

I've read the bible hundreds of times. I read it every day. It's mostly a fairytale, but every myth has it's lesson. Don't let the lesson be that dying is better than living. That there is a place better than this place. This place is all we have, and we have it for such a short while. Don't imagine pearly gates or strive for distant stars. Imagine a simple contentment. Strive for a moment's peace.

Don't let the lesson be that all those who don't believe as you have been taught, are doomed to eternal suffering. How arrogant, how stupid and childish and ungodly.

I chose the name god'swife because it is such a ludicrous idea. As if there were a god, as if he had a wife. I cannot be god because I am female. The best I can do is marry well.

I feel very tender feelings for you right now. I don't wish to shake your faith, but step outside your fence. Travel out to the edge of the wood, go in, find something better for yourself. Read the Gnostic gospels, read the gospel according to Thomas. Go to the desert and confront God. Did you know your Bible, the one you hold in your hands and take to church, was put together by a bunch of greedy, perverted catholic bishops? Think about that.

Your sister in Christ.



[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › god'swife 20-Mar-03/1:12 AM Reply
lol
[n/a] god'swife › -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 20-Mar-03/9:05 AM Reply
Yes it's very funny. I was thinking of you when I wrote it. How I love to hear you laugh. It's like a fluffy puppy dog taking a whiz on a crystal fire hydrant...no... it's more like a 10 dollar whore faking an orgasm. Either way it's music to my ears. Love is deaf as well as blind.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. › god'swife 20-Mar-03/11:50 AM Reply
The word 'lol' has nothing to do with laughing. One says 'lol' when one wishes to summon the power of a certain mental state. By uttering 'lol', the intent to instantiate the state is announced, and the instantiation begins or is more completely done. But it can also be used as a threat of entering that state, or a bluff.

It's true that part of the power of the 'lol'-state comes from the common misconception that 'lol' has something to do with laughter, so by telling you this I am compromising my gender-specific individuality profile, but since I respect you so much as a poet, a lover, a friend and most of all as a human being, I thought you should know.

xoxo
-=Dark_Angel=-
[n/a] Tintagiles › god'swife 20-Mar-03/9:18 AM Reply
Why not read the Koran instead? It's actually pretty interesting. Some nice imagery.
[6] GekoHawaii 23-Mar-03/6:39 PM Reply
Hm...wow. As you can see religion is a touchy subject. Something that anyone and everyone is willing to argue with, since no two people have the same exact beliefs. Cheers to you for hitting such a controversial subject on a public site.