Re: a comment on 38 Lines by auscot	3-Jan-05/2:55 PM
yeah that's right; an eight-inch blade. That'd damage the internal organs of even a super-porker.
Re: a comment on 38 Lines by auscot	3-Jan-05/6:40 AM
Jesus Christ. Of course your enjoyment is not what counts. This isn't some self-help group. This is the mean streets of poetry buddy. We cut the mustard with an eight-inch blade and don't you forget it.
Re: Point Blank by jroday	2-Jan-05/7:15 AM
Not a particularly incisive analysis. Poems need to be more subtle and crafted. The only poem I see here is the bit where jesus comes down as a jew and everyone is suspicious of him. Also don't use caps they are the most artless device of communication ever.
Re: a comment on Mallard by richa	2-Jan-05/7:06 AM
Pretentious buncombe. What I meant to say was the frown and smile are part of the duck beak's same rigid pose.
Re: Elopement by Sasha	31-Dec-04/5:07 AM
I have no doubt you write well.
Re: a comment on Math Poem 2 by Dovina	29-Dec-04/7:54 AM
and i know a mathematician that can show that a married woman and a married man are one and not two.
Re: a comment on Math Poem 2 by Dovina	29-Dec-04/7:53 AM
also it needs to be more poetic. This is virtually prose, and undisciplined sprawling 1000 words an hour prose at that.
Re: Math Poem 2 by Dovina	28-Dec-04/7:49 AM
Much better. The start is a bit weak, I would say if you want to write a maths poem use mathematical terms to give the poem better precision. 'Bumping about in randomness' and 'loosely connected', are too vague. They turn the reader off immediately. Other than that there is a more obvious natural progression in this poem than the previous one.
Re: a comment on Math Poem by Dovina	25-Dec-04/12:00 PM
Also if you could let me get back to doom 3 that would be ace.
Re: a comment on Math Poem by Dovina	25-Dec-04/11:59 AM
Ace. I am sure shuushin will love you for saying how little logic their appears to his poem. Anyway where were we. Oh yes. All good poems must follow logic or else what are they-- a conveniently stored set of aphorisms. The whole point of a poem is you build up from a number of premises which include the 'poetic bits' to your insight. My criticism of this poem has always been, rather than building a poem from the simple maths premises you at first set out, you set out the maths premises and fail to make the bridge between premise and conclusion. To me you go from 1+1 to love, hate. That is not how you construct a poem. The reason you wrote the poem like this is because you do not fully understand exactly what you are saying.
Re: a comment on Math Poem by Dovina	25-Dec-04/11:35 AM
What is not what you said. You said the use of logic forbids the use of emotion or romantics. I said philosophers debate romantics and emotion using logical thought. The problem comes when you believe you don't have to scrutinise what you write about emotion and romance. If a logician can take your poem and prove it to be flawed the poem is valueless.
Re: a comment on Math Poem by Dovina	25-Dec-04/2:36 AM
All forms of expression must follow logic or they are merely a collection of incoherent words. It is incorrect to say using logic eliminates romantic and emotional expression. Both romantics and emotions are debated by philosophers using logic. The reason I believe you ascribe magic to poetry is because you believe stringing sentences together with no logical order works. Somehow that writing it in verse makes those words less vague and more communicative than otherwise would be the case if you just strung sentences together that did not logically follow from each other. You believe that criticism of logic is invalid therefore a poem is beyond reproach with respect to logical inadequacies.
Re: a comment on Math Poem by Dovina	24-Dec-04/3:02 AM
The relevance of my professor example is that the most important factor in being able to communicate an idea is understanding that idea. The better the understanding the easier it is to transform into metaphor and relate to other concepts it impacts upon.
Re: a comment on Math Poem by Dovina	24-Dec-04/2:59 AM
OK, I will put it more simply. When someone expresses an opinion, if that opinion does not follow rules of logic in terms of concluding from the premises that opinion is dim. If someone writes a scientific paper and makes conclusions that don't follow from the premises that can be said to be dim. You claim if someone writes a poem that ignores the restraints of logic that is ok. Therefore you are inferring a magical property to poetry. What you seem to want is for ideas expressed in poetry to be beyond reproach. That is to say you can say what you like and not be examined on an intellectual level, only on a poetic (that it rhymes) level, which is bow'ls.
Re: a comment on "oh" by fevriere	23-Dec-04/2:51 PM
No, not liking a poem because it is illogical is clearly dim, as you said.
Re: a comment on Math Poem by Dovina	23-Dec-04/2:49 PM
It is obvious where we get the idea you believe poetry to be magical. You seem to believe that poems that fail to embrace the rules of logic can actually be good poems. As for this poem, you fail to communicate any insight on the subject. Where in the poem does it talk about imagination and poetic ability. I would add that the most important thing in translating an idea into a poem is that you understand the idea. Take for instance 'A dedication to the Golden Bird~' by Bhaskaryya. The poet who is a negro has clearly been told that having negroes in white society is good. However he has no idea why, so he clumsily throws in words like ethnicity and diversity hence being unable to make any insight whatsoever. Why do you think professors are better at explaining theories to students than other students who merely understand the basics. To understand is to be able to transform and hence better communicate an idea.
Re: "oh" by fevriere	23-Dec-04/11:28 AM
Fine idea for a poem. Not sure the relevance of the sea allusions. 'A syllable aches' would probably be better.
Re: a comment on "oh" by fevriere	23-Dec-04/11:24 AM
a dim reason for disliking a poem if ever I heard one.
Re: a comment on Math Poem by Dovina	21-Dec-04/2:22 AM
I am not surprised you are being vague and elliptic, your core idea seems to be you don't know how to make maths poetic. Some clearly can so the poem is redundant. Of course you could always depict a sculptor as an writer. That would be an ace idea.
Re: a comment on Math Poem by Dovina	20-Dec-04/11:35 AM
are you a scientologist or something. you can not go around randomly assigning words to numbers and not telling anyone. what kind of love affair has two people on each side anyway.