Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	amanda_dcosta 203.145.159.37	30-Dec-05/10:23 AM
I don't understand this version of Good and Bad Logic. One thing I can stress though, is that however much we discuss God logically, it will not be as easy to see Him as He is as when we see Him through the eyes of faith. Yes, take a look at Abraham, didn't he obey the call of God to sacrifice his only son. What was the result? And I do agree in today's world that parents abandon their child( children), and the like. But one thing we do not understand is that we do not take the time to understand our God for the way He is and on being personal with Him, He reveals a lot of treasures in your life. I have loads of events that I could witness to you about if you are interested( which I doubt strongly), buit that's not the point. The point which I want to stress is that, in all simplicity, God stares you right in the face. Open your eyes and see Him. And when you do you will know the difference. All your logic will only then work clearly.
Re: ghost host by elderking	hendrimike 69.253.194.186	30-Dec-05/10:20 AM
so many nights i've spent sleepless, keeping company with your ghost sweet
Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	zodiac 69.132.67.140	30-Dec-05/10:02 AM
There is no "people's version of logic". There's only Real Logic and Bad Logic, like "People can fly; I'm a person; therefore I can fly". All logical arguments fall into one or the other category. Things that fall into the Real Logic category never contradict each other. I'm perfectly willing to admit that my logic might be bad logic.
Re: ghost host by elderking	amanda_dcosta 203.145.159.37	30-Dec-05/9:57 AM
A very descriptive and powerful presentation of poetry.
Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	zodiac 69.132.67.140	30-Dec-05/9:56 AM
No, no. Most simply put, what we're saying is that God is not bound by logic. And even that's not correct. God IS logical, as shown by the following: 1. God can do everything. 2. The set of everything includes 'defy gravity'. 3. God can defy gravity. 1. God knows best. 2. God kills 200,000 people incomprehensibly (to us). 3. God knows best. Provided you accept 'God can do everything' and 'God knows best' as true, it's perfectly easy to understand God and His Works using logic. Most people - including Dovina, most likely - don't really accept those propositions as true, so they think logic doesn't apply to God, and they're in for a world of hurt. Even nonbelievers would do well to consider: 1. God doesn't fit with my idea of the universe. 2. There is possibly a God who can make any kind of universe. 3. The set of any universe includes my universe. 4. There is possibly a God.
Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	30-Dec-05/9:48 AM
Stop making a God out of logic. It is not foolproof and some peoples version of logic is downright rediculous. Logic has more to do with faith than God does. All logic is, is a way of thinking about things. It depends on the point of view of the person as to whether it is reasonable or not. Use science or math but don't narrow the definition of logic to just what you or scientist think although in your own mind that is perfectly logical.
Re: when i met sky alone by Prince of Void	elderking 209.79.199.120	30-Dec-05/9:48 AM
I was just starting to become interested; then read the last line and it was lost.
Re: My Interesting Life by Dovina	elderking 209.79.199.120	30-Dec-05/9:44 AM
out all of yours I've read, I think this is the best. I liked.
Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	amanda_dcosta 203.145.159.37	30-Dec-05/9:40 AM
just because logic does not connect to god at present, does not mean god does not exist nor that logic is wrong. gravity existed from the beginning and people understood something was there but later as we understood gravity it became more real to us. I do know one thing guys our god does not mind discussion or logical attempts to understand him. his mind is wide and i am sure he loves our search for him. its better to keep wondering where he is and what answers he has for the millions of tears we shed everyday. i believe god follows the rules he has put down for us. when u all discuss things i struggle to see the logic behind things. if we are not his intellectual equals we too would struggle to keep up with him but i think we should not be afraid of lifting the shrouds of mystery. to the simple it is only about 2 laws but for the complicated, you are needed to remind us of the dust in the pictures of our god. I understand when u say gods written in our souls ,so keep searching he will lead u and me to him in his time.
Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	30-Dec-05/9:36 AM
Personally I don't think it's hard to imagine this universe without god or even one in which he allows things to run without him. "GOD, is an absentee LANDLORD!"-Al Pacino as the devil in The Devil's Advocate. But I prefer to keep my options open. God is easier to live with when you put some if not most of the responsiblity on him. It's good to have him around to mentally get you through the toughest times.
Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	zodiac 69.132.67.140	30-Dec-05/9:28 AM
What I kind of enjoyed was saying "unintelligent (or God-oriented)". Hint: I'm not equating the two! Bonus hint: The conversation just worked out that way! Honest injun!
Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	30-Dec-05/9:24 AM
She just hasn't been here long enough to see how wondrously Dovina burns her candle at both ends.
Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	30-Dec-05/9:13 AM
That's not what I'm saying. If you're vague enough you can group everything together but that huge number that you would have is just a symbol for the connecting relationship between the things being grouped. If you have a plum and an apple than yes you have two fruits but if you just tell somebody you have two fruits and they know you only own plums and apples then they are just as likely to assume you have two plums or two apples. So if you say you have one of each then you are obviously more accurate. You're aware that occupying different space means different time so one plum is always going to be older and so they are different. I'm only warning that it is dangerous to group things together without acknowledging first their differences. So one apple + one plum doesn't = 2 apples or 2 plums but two fruits. Yes 3 quantum identical plums + 3 more + 3 more = 9 quantum identical plums but what if 3 of them were apples. Then something needs redefined. I'm only saying math relies entirely on the object or subject it's describing. What the heck does E=mc2 mean if you don't attach it to something that exists. So really I was just agreeing with you and trying to put what you were saying in laymans terms. And failing miserably. By the way here's a version of genesis you might enjoy: http://www.annex.com/glopez/bookof.htm
Re: Crowded by INTRANSIT	zodiac 24.148.234.30	30-Dec-05/7:32 AM
Cool. Even with the forced line-ends. The second-to-last line needs punctuating.
Re: My Interesting Life by Dovina	zodiac 24.148.234.30	30-Dec-05/7:28 AM
Oh, and this is your most poetic poem to date. That's a compliment, meaning it doesn't look like it was written by a malfunctioning word-generator.
Re: My Interesting Life by Dovina	zodiac 24.148.234.30	30-Dec-05/7:27 AM
Be a real nonconformist: tell victimhood to blow off.
Re: a comment on Romans 8:28 by amanda_dcosta	zodiac 24.148.234.30	30-Dec-05/7:26 AM
I disagree with AlChemy. But I also disagree that "Logic states that God is love, love is blind, therefore God is blind." The rest of your comment is perfectly good. Why bring logic into it at all? Because the faithful see something like a tsunami and say "How can I force this horrible thing to fit with my idea of a loving God?" The reasonable say "How should I change my idea about tsunamis to fit with this thing?" Does that make us better off? Well, if it's any consolation, you get to go to heaven.
Re: Memoirs of a miners son by Caducus	zodiac 24.148.234.30	30-Dec-05/7:19 AM
You've admitted to being sloppy about grammar, so I'll do it for you: Memoirs of a miner's son Anvil-eyed, my Father glanced at me. "Dress me well for Karen", he said. He drew his breaths like a hero's sword As I brushed his hair with still hands. This man would leave for work golden And return a shadow who left my lips black, reading me Whitman as I slept and living poetry each day I woke. My Father was Sicilian; The miners called him Brando, My Mother called him Darling, And I just called for him. And he'd always return to me With something carved from coal. He had no last words for me, Just a smile and a squeeze of my hand, And then he was twenty three again In a Daimler with Karen, Driving to Loch Lomond With forty two shillings, Two smiles and two rings, And her Father's wrath. Good. All-around good.
Re: Bleeding by Hadasl	zodiac 24.148.234.30	30-Dec-05/7:16 AM
yearning => to yearn
Re: Virgin by MacFrantic	zodiac 24.148.234.30	30-Dec-05/7:13 AM
It's a lot like being a virgin, except that you get to have sex.