Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	Dovina 216.117.239.186	10-Oct-05/6:21 PM
You began by saying, "This is a philosopher: 'I believe X.'" But belief is not philosophy, and there you go astray. Add and retract addendums all day, it won't help.
Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	Dovina 216.117.239.186	10-Oct-05/6:16 PM
The point is, (and it should be obvious) that you're argueing about nonsense while I'm trying to make a serious point. You argue with a statements like "Evolution made dogs" because you can't understand the wording. It's the same as saying "chance made dogs," dogs were made by chance" or "by chance, dogs were made." These statements all mean the same thing. Can we leave this trivial aside at that?
Re: a comment on 10/8 by cronus	Dovina 216.117.239.186	10-Oct-05/6:06 PM
God or David?
Re: a comment on The Enigmatic Pentagram by ObsequiousGem	Dovina 216.117.239.186	10-Oct-05/6:05 PM
Really?
Re: The chestnut by richa	SupremeDreamer 130.65.109.104	10-Oct-05/9:17 AM
Beatiful... I wish I was you under the chestnut, bonin that girl.
Re: The chestnut by richa	INTRANSIT 152.163.100.67	10-Oct-05/7:21 AM
I'm researching. back in a minute.
Re: a comment on Just Before My Shift Ends at The Uptowner by jessicazee	INTRANSIT 152.163.100.138	10-Oct-05/6:47 AM
whoda thunk just friendly needling could make a poem, ha!
Re: Just Before My Shift Ends at The Uptowner by jessicazee	INTRANSIT 152.163.100.67	10-Oct-05/6:46 AM
If I only knw gambling jargon.....
Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	zodiac 212.118.19.108	10-Oct-05/5:47 AM
PS-It may be possible to say instead "phenomena made us, but to no purpose". But what's the point?
Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	zodiac 212.118.19.108	10-Oct-05/5:44 AM
I've gotta run, so I'll sum up. DOVINA: Evolution isn't sentient. It made us. ZODIAC: Evolution isn't a thing capable of making. It's a theory, a way of rationalizing phenomena. You're like saying the metric system made centimeters (or, better, it made distance). DOVINA: Evolution isn't sentient. It made us. ZODIAC: Urggh.
Re: 10/8 by cronus	zodiac 212.118.19.108	10-Oct-05/5:40 AM
Suggestion: Start sacrificing things you don't love. It's a long shot, but sacrificing what you love doesn't seem to have worked anyway, and what've you really got to lose?
Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	zodiac 212.118.19.108	10-Oct-05/5:31 AM
'Built' implies builder. 'Made' implies maker. No difference if there's purpose or not. If you're going to argue with anything, argue with that. But I wouldn't recommend it.
Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	zodiac 212.118.19.108	10-Oct-05/5:28 AM
Yes, but I haven't claimed to define philosophy or philsophers (not on this poem, at least.) I said 'A philosopher says X, a religious says Y', only. You can argue I've said "A person who says 'I believe X' is a philsopher", but even that's not much of a leg to stand on. And for that, it works. A philosopher does say, I believe X. So does a religious sometime. But a religious also says, I believe in a philosophy (and, NEW ADDENDUM) a philosopher doesn't. I retract my first addendum and all your argument from the beginning is moot.
Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	Dovina 209.247.222.92	10-Oct-05/5:18 AM
Why are so absurd as to say that I think evolution is intelligent. I simply said that it might have made us that way. Not on purpose, because it has no purpose. But it might have done it anyway. It's the same thing as saying it might have occurred by chance to anyone but you.
Re: The Enigmatic Pentagram by ObsequiousGem	zodiac 212.118.19.108	10-Oct-05/5:17 AM
I thought this poem was going to be about how a pentigram is enigmatic. I see you've kept clear of that. And everything else enigmatic, apparently.
Re: Just Before My Shift Ends at The Uptowner by jessicazee	Dovina 209.247.222.92	10-Oct-05/5:14 AM
I laughed and and sympathized. Bar talk is almost spiritual at times, almost like church.
Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	zodiac 212.118.19.108	10-Oct-05/5:14 AM
Yes, it does. And the way you say it does, too. For the last time, evolution didn't build us. Evolution didn't have us in mind when it started. Evolution is not a sentient being or a process capable of predicting itself the way, say, scientists sometimes predict it. Scientists did not build us. Scientists did not create evolution. Scientists have had no control over evolution to date, and have very little now. Speaking of any process by which humans are "built" (excluding the process of God or gods creating the earth) is about equivalent to saying, I don't know, the universe or undersea ridges are "built". If you persist in using the term "built" for things which don't (according to me) involve a sentient builder, I must persist in considering you a religious and, consequently, ignoring you. If you've got to say something about the matter, try something like this: A set of myriad circumstances has resulted (meaning, at the present moment) in the so-called dominant species on Earth having a tendency to develop faiths and to afterwards wonder about such matters as whether it was built to develop faith.
Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	Dovina 209.247.222.92	10-Oct-05/5:05 AM
No, the whole addended idea sucks. Philosophy is not "I believe X." Philosophers argue about the definition of philosophy, but yours is definiteloy not up for contention.
Re: a comment on The Servant and The Messenger by ALChemy	Dovina 209.247.222.92	10-Oct-05/5:00 AM
Yes, I thikk it might have gone something like that. All it proves is that we're built to develop faith. Maybe pure evolution made us that way. It doesn't imply intelligent design.
Re: a comment on dictates of whose travel agency? by A. Nomaly	zodiac 212.118.19.108	10-Oct-05/4:31 AM
Heh, heh. Wide open.