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Faith (Free verse) by Pervy Elf I tell you secrets behind closed doors.
I tell you I think that life is a bore.
You preach to me like some small child.
I am wrong, you say.
Life is still good.
God will help you.
I laugh at you, and you frown.
Really?
Well, where was your God when my innocence died?
All those years ago.
Still a child.
Where was your God then to protect me?
Obviously he was too busy to help...
Me.
Your God is a lie!
Your God is a fake!
Will you now burn me at the stake?
For telling you the truth.
Ah, truth!
Do you get it now?
Your God never cared!
Your God was never real!
Understanding like a shot from a gun.
Up the ladder:
her love fading in the haze
Down the ladder:
Let Me In (I need some chaps)
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Posted: December 28, 2003 8:26 PM PST; Last modified: December 28, 2003 8:26 PM PSTWeighted score: 4.4039855 Overall Rank: 12975 Comments:
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fair12 @ 66.84.225.2
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30-Dec-03/10:25 AM
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the bashing of religion on this site just amazes me... first of all - it is not God who causes children to be molested, young people to die or any other evil that goes on in this world - man allows his faith to be so weak that evil seeps in and takes control. You wonder where God was - He was holding your ungrateful, weak, faithless ass up, not allowing evil to take that final step of control.
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horus8 @ 24.126.116.54
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30-Dec-03/2:16 PM
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"The final step of control"? What are you falling asleep watching the sci fi channel. If anyone is out for control it's religion and all you fucking faith and land mongers. Selling 700 club prayer towels and taking advantage of peoples lose fucking change. Causing every war to date. Yeah, he's your faith right here. Blind and usual. Ever wonder wht John the babtist was beheaded. It was because he was a psychotic asshole that couldn't mind his own fucking business.
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horus8 @ 24.126.116.54
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30-Dec-03/2:25 PM
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God is simply positively charged atoms working in a universe of strings. You don't have to perpetuate your money or children or control to understand god is not having to control anything. You should study up on some budhism and get with it. This christian god thing is as pathetic as the pagan green man all the way to the egyptiand ra to jesus, to budha, to the garden the floods the angels the space men the krishna it's all the same, it wasn't until the fucking jews decided to starrt writing it all down the way they wanted to in order to regain control of the women and their goddess religions that shitted started to go south. I bet you haven't even read the bible? I bet I could up end evry fucking article of faith you've ever stood on, sentence by sentence. 300,000 years since neanderthal went cro magnun, and you're talking about faith while at the same time passing judgement. Here's some news. You are both wrong and simple minded.
TO fair12 (comment indentation has malfunctioned)
What's amazing is that you believe a magical super-being swooped down to planet Earth and took on humanoid form. You also believe that this pseudo-earthling was the SON of god AND was god at the same time, you also believe He had various special moves like the ability to walk on water, the ability to make small quantities of bread and fish become large quantities of bread and fish, and some other completely arbitrary and indiscriminate powers - like the ability to heal certain random cripples he happened to bump into (but not the ones He didn't bump into because they were naughty) and the ability to bring someone back from the dead even though that person would have been in Heaven or Hell at the time, and if they were in Hell then their eternal damnation wouldn't have been very eternal, and if they were in Heaven, why would they want to be brought back to life anyway? You also believe that despite the fact that this humanoid was supposedly omniclever, He still prayed to God (aka Himself), to beg for an alternative to crucifixion, even though anyone who was omniclever would already know the answer to such a prayer, and anyway, why pray to yourself? Your comment doesn't address the issues put forward in this poeme in anywhere near a satisfactory way. The way I see it, the poeme is trying to say that if there truly is a benevolent Jesu - as the Bible claims - then He probably wouldn't condone child molestation on an unreasonable scale. However, child molestation exists, and given that Jesu (if He existed) would have the power to stop it, why doesn't He stop it? And why does He manufacture child molesters in His secret laboratory in the first place? And don't say "free will" because it is perfectly possible to have a world without child molestation that still has free will. Do you molest children? Do you have free will? If God is willing to intervene in order to hold this particular victim's "faithless ass up, not allowing evil to take that final step of control", then why isn't He willing to go all the way and magically generate a force field around the child's buttocks that wards off molestation completely? Hmm? What is also amazing is that there is a staggeringly simple answer to all these problems: The Bible is a complete load of balls. Thanks.
I love to hate your guts.
Believe what you will - it's your right. And since I'm not going to through with meaningless banter on whose right and whose wrong, I agree to disagree with you on all points. As far as your comment on being a child molester - be very careful on this point - I am a survivor of child abuse - it is something I live with every day - every moment of my life and any other survivor will be as offended as I with your offensive remarks. Conversation over.
You can tell somebody isn't thinking when they start a comment with "Believe what you will - it's your right". What an utterly pointless thing to say. Next time you think about saying that, ask yourself what you think it will achieve. Since this discussion has NOTHING to do with whether or not I have a right to believe something, don't you think it's rather bizarre that you would start off on that track? Good Christ I hope so.
And as for your refusal to engage in what you call "meaningless banter", I can only say I'm not surprised you're unwilling to defend your beliefs though I am rather bemused as to why YOU think putting forward a rational defence of your beliefs would necessarily constitute "meaningless banter". It seems we agree on one thing at least... With regard to YOUR comment on being a child molester, I'm afraid you have quite utterly missed the point. Either that or you just wanted to casually slip your own history of child abuse into the conversation to make it look as if you know what you're talking about. I wasn't accusing you of child molestation. I wanted to raise the question that if there is such a thing as free will, then is it possible to have a world without child molestation that still has free will? Since (I assume) you do not molest children, yet (presumably) you believe you have free will, I don't understand why Jesu can't get rid of child molestation altogether and still keep free will. Do you? Nice one.
All of a sudden your a victim of child abuse?
Bullshit. Perhaps your mental gears are batty 'n disfunctional, or my reasoning is shitty, BUT: If you are a victim of child molestation, how are you completely unable to sympathize with Pervy Elf's poem? God believing or not, as a victim you should be able to relate to his anger and disbelief. Instead you berate Pervy Elf for his lack of faith, saying that what happened to him happened because mans weak faith allows evil to do its dirty work? Was it your weak faith that lead to your molestation fair12? Was it your punishment for not having the correct amount of strength in your faith? You also say that god was there "not allowing evil to take the final step", when Pervy's angst exists because "god" DIDN'T prevent evil from taking the final step... Your reaction to this poem made no sense what-so-ever. Did god prevent your molestation? Or did he leave you to be molested when you were just a child? Let me answer that for you: GOD WASN'T DOING ANYTHING- And he wasn't doing anything because the theistic concept of an all-powerful "being" is bullshit; a product of mans need to make himself secure by putting faith in a psychological "divine father-figure and protector". In my opinion christians convolute their religion to turn it into nothing more than a fancy "teddy bear". (Which ofcourse is one reason they have no insightful knowledge or understanding of the bible, the other reason is that they give no thought as to the interpretation of the text or its meaning, but accept their undoubted literal interpretation/meaning.) And about DA being offensive? He isn't. He's being blunt and to the point, and that offends you- it also makes you angry since he makes you look stupid. YOUR FIRST RESPONSE TO PERVY'S POEM HOWEVER? Was offensive, mean-spirited, and absurd; a hurtful way for you to get revenge for pervy criticising/belittling god while voicing his disbelief. Over-all? Your full of shit: A fucking moron. And in my opinion, a shameless liar.
Okay, first off, I'm not a guy. I'm most definately a girl...but that's not the point. I just want to clear some things up about this poem since everybody seems to be so up in arms about the damn thing. Let's make this clear, this is *just* a poem. What people may interpret from the contents is thier right, but do not berate them for it. Yes, I understand that at first glance I seem to be 'bashing' God. I never did that. The lines "Your God is a lie/Your God is a fake" are refering to that persons ideal of thier God. Contents of this poem are for those who feel that they must push thier beliefs onto others in an attempt to make thier logic appear concrete. It is quite illogical for an all-powerful being to be able to make our lives better just because we believe in him. From a logical standpoint, it doesn't make sense. Note, nowhere have I discredited God's existence or blatently ridiculed anybody for thier beliefs.
Secondly, I never stated that I was molested as a child. If you happened to read my poem and discern that fact, then I am grateful that you may have been able to somehow relate to my poem. I appologize if I have misslead anyone. I am very saddened that this forum was not used as a place for *constructive* criticism for my poetry, but a place where others are subjected to malice for thier beliefs.
Dear Pervy Elf,
I tell by your love of *constructive* criticism, and your use of the word "malice", that you are a deeply, deeply mature individual.
Well, sorry for getting your gender wrong..
To that persons ideal of their god? wtf? Every religion/person has their little variations on their "ideal" concerning God... But those two lines, no matter what, is bashing God... Unless the reader in question agree's that God is a lie/fake. And no, you never said you were molested as a child, but fair12 DID claim that.. Perhaps I'm wrong, but this part of your poem clearly relates to faith12, whether you were molested or not: "Well, where was your God when my innocence died? All those years ago. Still a child." I never named what killed your innocence, so I haven't misinterpreted your poem at all. Also, you did deny gods existence in your poem: "Your God was never real!" Look, its obviouse that your playing this VERY safe.. PC Damage control. It doesn't do any good to deny that you bashed god and denied/discredited his existence, specially since the poem proves that you have. The purpose of your poem has no real relation to what you claim: "Contents of this poem are for those who feel that they must push thier beliefs onto others in an attempt to make thier logic appear concrete." Since the poem cleary conveys a personal issue with god. As for constructive criticism? Your poem is beyond help, if you ask me, the only way to improve it? Is to rewrite the entire thing. Do yourself a favor: when you plan to bullshit us? make sure the bullshit makes sense. (Or atleast make it so we can understand that "blab" of yours...) And honestly now? No one is really suffering here.. or atleast I hope no one takes the internet that seriously to the point of suffering when someone makes a blunt comment against their religion. That would definately be reason to consider "getting a life".
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