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The Populous (Free verse) by durr_T_hip_E
they run from discontentment and beg for a quiet whispering disconnection in perfect form a water molecule splashing up from a rain puddle under a foot dirty sneakers indicative of experience grey long rain clouds patter necessity to the ground like babies lunging for their right to breathe peacefully dew drops are intently focused upon casual beauty of self a reflection of grasshoppers drowning in this sparkling moment the sidewalk lives less than a block away from any place where oceans collide with sunsets we are warmed here frictionless elements are connected by and by and severed ties remain as the only way to teach unity discontentment disconnects puddle drops from feet we are fleeting carriers

Down the ladder: The Joynt

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Posted: March 22, 2005 11:30 AM PST; Last modified: March 22, 2005 11:30 AM PST
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[7] Dovina @ 12.72.5.2 | 22-Mar-05/12:38 PM | Reply
I’m following your butler of a title, and assuming this houseful of descriptions applies to the people as a whole. Frankly, I find that concept too broad for value. Still, the flow is good and the descriptions vaguely valid. I wish for greater definition, punctuation perhaps, and something personal.
[n/a] durr_T_hip_E @ 68.254.156.173 > Dovina | 22-Mar-05/12:46 PM | Reply
LOL...thanx for the feedback...much appreciated...i don't usually title my poems, "the populous" just popped in my head when i went to post it here... as far as conceptual value...well, i guess that depends on our individual value systems. obviously, no generalization can apply to every single individual on the planet...this poem is my attempt to describe most of the people who have graced my existence - imperfect, yet, perfect, innocent and always shooting for more...

punctuation, well, whatever - this was originally published in a quarterly journal with punctuation - i recently started playing with some old poems and removing punctuation for presentation and effect - i guess i know how it's perceived in this piece! as far as something personal, well, i'm sorry my words failed to set off any associations in your memory... better luck next time..

thanx for the critique,

peace,

sean
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.191.105 > durr_T_hip_E | 22-Mar-05/2:13 PM | Reply
The most rewarding aspect of the assymetry of conversation borne out by the internet is not the lying and getting away with it but rather the watching of other people lying then waiting for them to be damned by their own words.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.21.223 > richa | 22-Mar-05/2:58 PM | Reply
And then trumping, with all one's might.
[n/a] durr_T_hip_E @ 68.254.156.173 > richa | 22-Mar-05/3:08 PM | Reply
it seems to me, primarily because the critique of this work is an opinion and obviously subjective, that your comment is directed towards me. i'm more than curious as to what lie you believe i have told?

prior to signing up on this site, my original thoughts upon reviewing it were as follows,

"way too much ego floating around this site"

"way too much bad poetry on this site"

"way too many people who think they know what perfection is"

"not enough constructive criticism/feedback"

your comment has me picturing you perceiving yourself as sitting upon a cloud looking down upon all the feeble people below as though they were put there for your amusement...

i'd like to hear a dick's version of truth and reality, so why don't you include that in your next constructive comment so we can create more "asymmetry of conversation."

peace,

sean
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.21.223 > durr_T_hip_E | 22-Mar-05/3:50 PM | Reply
You're an idiot, and you have no idea how to write. What you think of as "articulate argument" is actually "unbelievable waffle". Do shut up.
By the way richa, the same goes double for you.
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.191.105 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 23-Mar-05/10:06 AM | Reply
I think you are mistaken.
[n/a] durr_T_hip_E @ 68.254.156.173 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 22-Mar-05/4:23 PM | Reply
Well...at least you're doing a fine job of proving me correct; less work for me...

btw...no...not usually <<<------answer to your other post questioning whether or not i perceive my words to be "bollocks."

i do, however, think to myself when i run into the likes of you, "good Christ, he thinks he's God, we better not talk."

i also think that if you think it's all "unbelievable waffle," that you probably have the intellectual capacity of your average college student in america, which is the same as the average 4 year old child in ethiopia.

good luck with your righteousness.

peace,

sean
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.19.211 > durr_T_hip_E | 23-Mar-05/4:21 AM | Reply
Crap, crap, crap.

Here's your constructive criticism:

1) I'd recomment shutting up about proving yourself correct. The reader's likely to think you're a little self-righteous snit.
2) The reader might get a little lost when you leap from -=Dark_Angel=-,P.I.'s comment to him thinking he's God, as calling things bollocks isn't something most people usually think of God as doing.
3) That intellectual capacity thing is crap. For another thing, you know it's not very cogent. And anyway -=Dark_Angel=-,P.I. can argue, reason, communicate in English, type, and do anything else related to posting comments about other people's "unbelievable waffle" better than any Ethiopian, child or not. If you attempt to argue about this, you will be more than usually talking out of your ass.
4) But hey, great title! Hey, people are populous, what a concept!!!!

tchuss,

zodiac
[7] Dovina @ 12.72.11.19 > zodiac | 23-Mar-05/6:18 AM | Reply
DA will be pleased. Receive your reward.
[n/a] durr_T_hip_E @ 68.254.156.173 > zodiac | 23-Mar-05/10:56 AM | Reply
Thanks for the observation Dovina... I've been on several poetry sites over the last five years and am familiar with the muck kicked up from the bottom of the gene pool. To respond, even though I shouldn't, to zodiac: 1) I made a comment that stated that DAPI was proving my point correct, which you have also joined in supporting; I don't need to do anything to prove myself correct when your behavior and speech do it for me. For me to b self-righteous, I would need to believe that my behavior is a model example for you to follow and I would also need to believe it was my duty to change you. Neither of those requisites are present here. In fact, I'd prefer you go about your way as you have been so that we can all see who the real righteous one is.

2) If the reader gets lost, well, I take partial responsibility; however, it probably means they should pay closer attention. God may not call things "bollocks" in that particular context. However, my reference was to the fact that, according to the faithful, it is God and God alone that has the authority to pass judgment. God, symbollically meaning the ultimate of all truth and knowledge, is the only entity that has the capacity to label a thing as truth or falsehood - humans like us fall short due to our inability to hold all knowledge.

3) The intellectual capacity thing is called sarcasm and exaggeration or rhetoric. As far as me being cogent, well, that goes back to a long line of argument which only ends in us, at this point, concluding that you believe you have the cogent perception/argument which also leads us to conclude, since you are here trying to change my behavior with your "better" way or "better" argument, that YOU, zodiac, are the righteous one, taking it upon yourself to police these boards and set those "fools" straight in their perception. To take on your tone in reply to your assertion that DAPI can "argue, reason, communicate in English, type, and do anything else related to posting comments about other people's "unbelievable waffle" better than any Ethiopian, child or not," well, you are a keen observer of the obvious, but, again, a not so keen observer of sarcasm and rhetoric. Rather, you are the type of person who takes things literally almost all the time and probably whines to his mother any time someone hurts him with some callous comment.

4) Who's the pompous, pretentious, arrogant, and self rigteous one?

In closing...I'm done responding to this childish crap...if you wish to continue about normal relations like an adult...if you wish to make this site a productive site that people enjoy...I suggest you grow up.

peace,

sean
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.21.223 > durr_T_hip_E | 23-Mar-05/1:28 PM | Reply
People would take you more seriously if you didn't write like a mouldy walnut. I'm going to rewrite some of your post so it reads less like you've been felching Ayn Rand. Pay attention, you fucking dimwit.

"To respond to zodiac, though I shouldn't:
1) I said -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. was proving my point, which you're also doing; therefore I don't need to.

For me to be self-righteous, I'd have to think my behavior was a model, and that it was my duty to change you. I don't believe either. In fact, I'd rather you continue in the same way, so we can see who the righteous one really is.

2) If the reader gets lost, well, I'm partly responsible. But it probably means they should pay closer attention.

God may not call things "bollocks" in that particular context. But I meant that, according to the faithful, God alone has the authority to pass judgment. In that God represents truth and knowledge, only he can judge a thing true or false. Humans fall short, because we don't know everything."

I shall stop here, because point 3 is an impenetrable fuck-tangle of unbelievable guff.

IMPROVEMENTS:
1. Contains line breaks. The original is an enormous, unbroken cud-sausage of words.
2. Uses less than half as many words as the original.
3. Operates at a cognitive level above that of a pea.
4. Spelled and punctuated properly. Devoid of ellipses.
5. Avoids tortuous noun chains.
6. Sounds less like a prime bollock.
7. Your a tool.

Until you learn to write without sounding like a first-year philosophy essay, shut up.

P.S. My name is spelled with two hyphens, two equals signs, an underscore, a comma, and two full stops. I went to the trouble of legally changing it, so you might as well get it right.
[n/a] durr_T_hip_E @ 68.254.156.173 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 23-Mar-05/1:37 PM | Reply
c tha pre-V-us post re: not respndng to chldsh crap...

i red manny uv yer prevE-us posts n' u hve tha' ablity to giv
good critique/feedback...yet, the majority of tha' time u just focus on nit picking and trying to mold every1 on the site into your vision of what should be...

i dont have the desire to start, nor the need to make myself feel better by, correcting your post...but, to prove a point:

in #7 above:

your needs to be you're....you forgot YOUR rules captain grammar.

peace,

sean

p.s. i hope YOU'RE feeling better about life today
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.21.223 > durr_T_hip_E | 23-Mar-05/4:38 PM | Reply
Actually, I said "your" deliberately. I say things like "your dim", "your thick", "your a tool", to provoke retards like you. Please, browse my rich history of comments.

Congratulations, your a thicky.
You've also utterly missed the point, which was only to be expected. You're not crap at writing because you can't spell. You're crap at writing because you choose bad words. You don't understand this. You probably never will, because your intensely dim.
[n/a] dancin_n_da_moonlite @ 205.188.117.69 > durr_T_hip_E | 2-Apr-05/10:21 AM | Reply
the whole not spelling correctly thing isnt really working for you here..........
nice....
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.19.211 > durr_T_hip_E | 24-Mar-05/3:17 AM | Reply
a) populous
b) populace

Without checking, which of the above is an adjective? Just curious. I'll know if you checked.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.19.211 > zodiac | 24-Mar-05/3:35 AM | Reply
Incidentally

1) If you weren't proven right by either yourself or others, would your brain explode?

2) Plenty of people have the ability to label things truths or falsehoods, especially when discussing things in whose creation God was pretty much uninvolved - like English use or the specialized jargon of philosophy. In fact, it's possible that an educated human is more qualified to call poor English or Philosophy-lingo use "bollocks" than God. Particularly given the likelihood that if God called something other than real bollocks bollocks, he'd either vanish in a puff of trump or the thing discussed would instantly change into a real and perfect bunch of bollocks. Neither of which, I think you'll agree, is something any of us want to see in our lifetimes.

3) Oh, sorry. You were being sarcastic. Then your comment simply doesn't make any sense.

4) I'm self-righteous about English use, which happens to be the subject at hand and something I've spent the last god-knows-how-many years getting a very specialized education in order to discuss accurately. By the way, I don't think you know what self-righteous really means. The real slur was "snit" - for which, I see, you've got no answer :-(

5) I spent 1,000 comments trying to make this site - or at least the spelling and poetry writing aspects of it - more adult. Give it about five shots and you'll see what I'm talking about.
[7] Dovina @ 12.72.11.19 > durr_T_hip_E | 23-Mar-05/6:20 AM | Reply
The only thing zodiac is right about is that they will nag like old women until you become bored.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.21.223 > Dovina | 23-Mar-05/1:36 PM | Reply
The boredom threshold for most people comes earlier than their JODHPURS THRESHOLD. I aim for the Jodhpurs.
[n/a] durr_T_hip_E @ 68.254.156.173 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 23-Mar-05/1:39 PM | Reply
you're right about that; you aim for the jodhpurs.

peace
[n/a] Goad @ 217.94.149.60 > durr_T_hip_E | 23-Mar-05/6:41 PM | Reply
Are you a real hippy, or one of the regulars posing as one?

-- a water molecule splashing up --
you mean 3 billion trillion, right?

do babies really patter necessity to the ground as they're lunging for their first breath? I actually have no idea when a baby is likely to take its first piss. Perhaps you're right.

--dew drops...grasshoppers drowning..
??? Wtf does that have to do with disaffectation? Are the dewdrops sentient, are they actually actively rolling around seeking out grasshoppers to drown in some metaphorical expression of the discontentment of the masses? The next image has even less to do with the pome. Admit it: the phrase "oceans collide with sunsets" came into your head and gave you a woody, and you've never had the self-discipline to say "this has nothing to do with the pome" and elide it.

How do frictionless elements get warmed? What does it mean for them to become warm? Then -- lets see if I've got this right -- connections develop between the frictionless elements, are then severed (by a severer who remains quite anonymous in the work) and the little severed floppy bits of the connections remain lying around to teach unity to the frictionless elements. What the fuck does that mean...is it, like, a metaphor?

What is it a metaphor FOR?

Please tell me one thing, because I confess as I reconstructed the imagery in my head I became quite curious about one detail...the remains of the severed connections that litter the space inhabited by the frictionless elements...do they sort of twitch and flop about? or do they teach us unity by lying quite deathly still? are they angry little writhing earthworms of severed empathy, or pale little gloworm ghosts of lost dreams of cameraderie?

So anyway, you were walking along in Seattle, stepped in a mudpuddle, caught a glimpse of a grasshopper & a dewdrop, experieneced a sudden moment of disassociation, in the clarity of which you noticed you share your general sense of discontentment with all the other schmucks walking around in the rain, shook it off and walked on with a fleeting sense of mortality and a renewed commitment to your own affectation of alienation.

well, good luck with your colliding sunsets and keeping your frictionless elements warm.

peace,

Goad
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.21.223 > Goad | 24-Mar-05/12:22 AM | Reply
The preferred term is "a wooden".
[n/a] Goad @ 217.94.156.66 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 24-Mar-05/3:26 PM | Reply
Consider me enwoodened.
[n/a] dancin_n_da_moonlite @ 205.188.117.69 > durr_T_hip_E | 2-Apr-05/10:14 AM | Reply
nice......
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