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The Man I Love (Free verse) by Dovina
is not the all-American macho, handsome, athletic, rich hunk they’re promoting. My man is the one with his morning coffee pensively pondering a page - clean, but maybe not shaven gentleman, thinker, comic. He can be a bit fat or maybe too thin homely perhaps or drift with the wind. But if his words rest like pillows and he understands mine if he knows what I mean and when I get him, grins then his car doesn’t matter his face can be scarred he can have a few habits and nights with the boys because I’ve got what I want and he knows it.

Up the ladder: The Balcony Boys
Down the ladder: the doorman

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Posted: February 13, 2005 8:30 PM PST; Last modified: February 13, 2005 8:30 PM PST
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[6] MacFrantic @ 205.188.116.67 | 13-Feb-05/9:01 PM | Reply
if you say so. *6*
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.10.24 > MacFrantic | 14-Feb-05/3:07 PM | Reply
Oh, but I do!
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.196 | 14-Feb-05/3:04 AM | Reply
No words come close, to what I see in you, but no words
can explain. None I can think of ever do.
Many words come to mind. As there's so much more. But no words can express. And no tongue can tell. Just what
I see in you, or how I feel as well.

Just putting a little icing on the cake, and good luck.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.10.24 > jroday | 14-Feb-05/3:11 PM | Reply
Thanks, jroday, for the “icing.”
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > Dovina | 15-Feb-05/6:17 AM | Reply
I like the way you rather icily put quotes around the icing. As if it wasn't really icing, but a thick velveteen coat of smarm.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.11.59 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 15-Feb-05/7:20 AM | Reply
I like the way you attempt to discredit icing or “icing.”
[10] al-naafiysh @ 204.215.33.13 > Dovina | 15-Feb-05/7:49 AM | Reply
You know D. that has nothing to do with it.
They just want to be all up in your business, instead of getting
there own, and then again maybe they are jealous (smile)
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.11.59 > al-naafiysh | 15-Feb-05/8:03 AM | Reply
Maybe it we sent them some sweet Valentine sentiment it would take the edge off their angst. Maybe they just don’t have any love in their lives.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.11.12 > Dovina | 15-Feb-05/9:40 PM | Reply
I doubt it anyone would be able to understand it.

"Maybe they just don’t have any love in their lives" is great considering I'm more than averagely happily married and you're writing poems about watching couples have sex on frontseats and dating the Gilette Man.
[8] wilco @ 24.165.207.93 | 14-Feb-05/7:53 PM | Reply
That's good, because most likely, that's exactly who he's going to be. ;0)
[1] Stephen Robins @ 213.146.148.199 | 15-Feb-05/5:48 AM | Reply
A man that would understand what the hell your forever parping on about! For god sake set your sights a little more realistically, try a man who doesn't run away whilst throwing up when you lurch into the room like a floundering minky.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.11.59 > Stephen Robins | 15-Feb-05/7:21 AM | Reply
Yes, that too.
[n/a] edpeterson @ 68.79.58.164 > Stephen Robins | 11-Mar-05/7:03 AM | Reply
LOL. Wish i had written that comment
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 | 15-Feb-05/6:13 AM | Reply
But can he be black? Can he be black...
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.11.59 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 15-Feb-05/7:22 AM | Reply
Yes, or brown, yellow or white. Hell, he might even be English, but that’s a stretch.
[1] Stephen Robins @ 213.146.148.199 > Dovina | 15-Feb-05/8:04 AM | Reply
Your disgusting, no Englisgh gentleman has ever stretched a female, or even mildly harmed her.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.11.59 > Stephen Robins | 15-Feb-05/8:07 AM | Reply
lol. But I knew one who mildly harmed me once.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > Dovina | 16-Feb-05/9:27 AM | Reply
There was an old man from Dunfirth
Who had quite extraordinary girth
He lodged his fat wiener
Inside poor Dovina
And stretched her from Kildare to Perth!
[n/a] Dovina @ 17.255.240.138 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 16-Feb-05/11:04 AM | Reply
lol. But just this morning you said that people of your own race appeal to you more than people of other races. Here you directly contradict Robins-of-your-race and just a few hours ago you were calling Alonby all sorts of vile names. If this is the affection you bestow towared your own kind, I feel flattered to have recieved several recent comments from you containing only a few vile or demeaning slams. I think you'd better get your racism act together.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > Dovina | 16-Feb-05/3:38 PM | Reply
Dear me, I've never read anything quite so tenuous in all my life. The last, desperate struggles of closet racist lashing out at those noble enough to expose her for what she is: a deluded sham living in a homemade maturity cocoon. We'll leave her now, lest we be caught in the crossfire -- the death throes of a crumbling regime are every bit as savage as they are indiscriminate.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.2.151 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 16-Feb-05/8:54 PM | Reply
And finally, in the death throes, lololol.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > Dovina | 17-Feb-05/4:29 AM | Reply
You're finally in those flattering shoes.

No, wait, that's just some random assumption and about as groundless as your aboveposted comment.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.33.108 > zodiac | 17-Feb-05/7:24 AM | Reply
My shoes are in fact flattering and not ungrounded.
[1] Stephen Robins @ 213.146.148.199 > Dovina | 25-Jul-06/4:17 AM | Reply
Does that mean they are high heels? I like high heels I am wearing some too.
[10] blacksoul @ 204.215.33.13 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 15-Feb-05/7:42 AM | Reply
Does it make a different's if he's black, orange, red, green, or
blue?
He's still the man she love's
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.11.59 > blacksoul | 15-Feb-05/7:57 AM | Reply
We must try for patience here. You see, there are folks on this site burdened with notions about race and its affect on intelligence. They’re held back from understanding the finer aspects of language, culture and diversity. Now let’s prepare ourselves for a barrage of malarkey about the benefits of being properly born.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > Dovina | 15-Feb-05/9:01 AM | Reply
Do you think it's racist to find some races more attractive than others? I think it is. It's a form of discrimination on the basis of race. In your poeme, you seem to be suggesting that you are unmoved by physical appearance. Is this true? Or is it just that handsomeness holds rather a lowly administrative post in the corridors of your heart? I have to say that physical appearance dominates the truncheon of my heart.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.13.178 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 15-Feb-05/11:21 AM | Reply
Wax poetic, will you? Sorry, my heart lacks a truncheon.

Obviously, I and my poem give more credit to a man’s character than his appearance.

I think Polynesians are mostly an attractive race. I suppose by your definition, that makes me racist.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > Dovina | 16-Feb-05/3:07 AM | Reply
Yes well rather sensibly MY definition COINCIDES with the ACTUAL definition:

racism n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

And NO, asserting that polynesians are mostly attractive does not make you racist. But if you had the INTEGRITY to admit that you find polynesians MORE ATTRACTIVE than other races that would indeed be a discrimination based on race, and therefore racist.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.6.40 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 16-Feb-05/8:33 AM | Reply
I discriminate on the basis of who gave me these red roses here beside my computer. I'm a roseist.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > Dovina | 16-Feb-05/8:41 AM | Reply
Yes but being a roseist isn't naughty because roses don't have feelings. Only being racist is naughty. So your 'point' isn't really a reductum ad absurdum, it's a failure. You're a failure.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.6.40 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 16-Feb-05/8:50 AM | Reply
God, don’t be so serious! I fail as a racist. How about you?
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > Dovina | 16-Feb-05/8:57 AM | Reply
Hiding behind a wall of nonchalance won't help you, Dovina. I know full well you've deliberately avoided saying you find any particular race generally less attractive than any other. For my own part, I do discriminate on the basis of race, because there are characteristics - some desirable, some undesirable, some neutral - that are generally associated with a person's race. And I generally find members of my own race more attractive than members of ethnic races :(
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.6.40 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 16-Feb-05/9:14 AM | Reply
Racist!
[1] Stephen Robins @ 213.146.148.199 > Dovina | 17-Feb-05/1:09 AM | Reply
I loathe the way you can't call a spade a spade anymore without being labelled a racist. I mean honestly! some people have genetic charecteristics which make them more attractive to others. I find most old women minging, fat and messy, does this make me ageist? or just driven by a Darwinian force to conjugate with those who I feel will produce the best carriers of my immensely pure seed. Would you genuinely do a golly who looked like Rick Waller if he would listen to your incessant emissions? No, you just want some clique deaf man who nods along when you discuss your inner anguish over your latest triumphant piece of parping.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.33.108 > Stephen Robins | 17-Feb-05/7:24 AM | Reply
“Racist” is one of those ugly words we use on people we don’t like. It’s almost like the popular “U R So Gay.” “Racist” can mean anything from a mild preference or dislike to strong feelings of hate and desire for physical harm based on race. Many of your comments in the past, and those of some of your English buddies have bordered on, if not blatantly asserted, the latter. It was with this background, not just the recent babble here, that I called him a racist. Of course, it’s possible you guys are just playing with words here on poemranker, having no intention of revealing your real feelings toward other races, in which case my “racist” attack is also a play with words.
[1] Stephen Robins @ 213.146.148.199 > Dovina | 17-Feb-05/8:42 AM | Reply
Reading your arguments makes me feel like I am on mal-functioning rollercoaster with no end. However, I believe what you are ultimately trying to assert is that you believe us Brits base all our opinions on a vindictive desire to vituperate against other ethnicities OR that we use words as a leaden blanket to hide our true prejudices and only reveal on poemranker large gusts of wind in an attempt to pass time at work. Furthermore, with a crash of irony, that only an Amercian so poorly execute, you conclude that your racist statement to D.A. pi was only a similar play with words and you are not really spouting forth your real opinons of us. To conclude, how many polynesians have you actually accepted it off?
[n/a] Dovina @ 17.255.240.138 > Stephen Robins | 17-Feb-05/10:25 AM | Reply
I know it's getting on toward pub time there in The United Kingdom, but would you care to step off the malfunctioning rollercoaster and rephrase that in the English language?
[1] Stephen Robins @ 213.146.148.199 > Dovina | 18-Feb-05/8:36 AM | Reply
You are a big muff
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.11.12 > Dovina | 18-Feb-05/9:51 PM | Reply
He means, the following conversation cannot exist except under the most bumbling of circumstances:

-=Dark_Angel=-,P.I.: I don't like Polynesians.
Dovina: Racist.
-=Dark_Angel=-,P.I.: I was being ironic.
Dovina: Oh. So was I.

Irony means the person perpetrating it knows some truth different from the one he's asserting (note: correct usage). You didn't, and still don't.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.10.8 > zodiac | 19-Feb-05/6:22 AM | Reply
He'll be so impressed with your progress. Good work.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.11.12 > Dovina | 18-Feb-05/9:54 PM | Reply
PS- You might have stopped this whole trumpfest in the beginning by stating the obvious: black people are not diverse from each other.
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.225.182 > Stephen Robins | 18-Feb-05/9:59 AM | Reply
Of course you are an ageist. Minging, fat and messy is what being an old boot is all about. That you are ageist for your own good is neither here nor there.
[10] al-naafiysh @ 204.215.33.169 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 15-Feb-05/10:43 PM | Reply
Do you think love is a form of discrimination?
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.225.182 > al-naafiysh | 16-Feb-05/1:35 AM | Reply
Of course not. There are lots of girls who do not discriminate.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > al-naafiysh | 16-Feb-05/2:55 AM | Reply
Yes, but it is not innately a form of discrimination based on race. If you marry a black person then that means you're not racist. It means you're diverse. Black people are really diverse. That's why marriages, companies and institutions become diverse when they employ black people. Diverse, diverse, diverse! They're just so damn diverse gawd bless 'em!
[10] al-naafiysh @ 204.215.33.165 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 16-Feb-05/7:22 AM | Reply
So you're saying everyone discriminate aganist a black person or is racist until he or she marry another race?
How can you say Black people become diverse in anything?
Do you think all Black people are the same?
As for as marriages go same races marriages don't work.
Companies and institutions become diverse when they employ
black people.Get real! most of our companies and institutions
are not run by Americans anyway.
Did Black people cause diversity in 911? They lost there lives.
Verizon to purchase MCI 7,000 people expected to lose there jobs
as a result.Them got damn Black people again with there diversity, diversity, They're just so damn diverse gawd bless'em!
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > al-naafiysh | 16-Feb-05/8:18 AM | Reply
I don't think all Black people are the same. But they all have two things in common:

1. They're black
2. They're diverse

And how dare you attempt to sully Verizon's good name? Having trawled through their website, it's clear that Verizon is by far the most DIVERSE organisation in the world, and that is something to be commended, not scorned. It is initiatives like Black History Month http://www22.verizon.com/ab... that put Verizon at the very summit of Mount Diversity. A place so diverse, so excellent, so black, that you will never ever be allowed to go there in your lifetime because you would pollute it with your lack of diversity and appalling spelling mastakes. Get with the times, al-naafiysh. All men were created diverse, but some are more diverse than others. Think about it. That's not a doublethink, unlike its "All men were created equal..." counterpart :(
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 17-Feb-05/4:27 AM | Reply
LOL. al-naafiysh is black. Does she have to marry a Chinaman?
[10] al-naafiysh @ 204.215.33.88 > zodiac | 17-Feb-05/6:35 AM | Reply
Thank's Zo
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > zodiac | 17-Feb-05/9:27 AM | Reply
The answer to that is NO. It's impossible for a black person to be a racist.
[10] al-naafiysh @ 204.215.33.88 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 17-Feb-05/6:32 AM | Reply
After talking to my father yerterday, I asked him did he think all Black people are diverse?
His answer was, you can't single out just one race. like D.A. said."All men were created diverse, but some are more diverse than others. That's a true statement, which means Black, White, red, tan, and brown.
He also said, it's a shame that color makes a different's in God's world.
Why is it some people want to judge me, and not know the person inside?
Diverse has long left this world.
Ignorance has taken over.
world.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > al-naafiysh | 17-Feb-05/9:46 AM | Reply
Are all Black people black?
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.204 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 17-Feb-05/2:27 PM | Reply
No! Because if al-naafiysh walked up to you right now, and started talking to you, you'd think she was a White woman with a sun tan.
So now you're thinking she's mixed with something. You're right
Indian. Her great great grandfather was from India, and only her and her brother took after him, don't be decieved by the color
of a persons skin.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > jroday | 18-Feb-05/6:07 AM | Reply
:(
[1] Stephen Robins @ 213.146.148.199 > jroday | 18-Feb-05/8:42 AM | Reply
What colour are you? I have a feeling you're a smudge of black and brown.
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.170 > Stephen Robins | 18-Feb-05/12:23 PM | Reply
If you mix Black and Brown together what color will you get?
[1] Stephen Robins @ 213.146.148.199 > jroday | 28-Feb-05/5:31 AM | Reply
poo
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > al-naafiysh | 17-Feb-05/9:51 AM | Reply
P.S. If you computed the AVERAGE DIVERSITY of every Black person, then did the same for every White person, would the average diversity for Blacks BE EXACTLY THE SAME as for Whites? That is the question you should have asked the old man.
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.204 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 17-Feb-05/3:27 PM | Reply
Well the old man is going to give you a truthful answer.
What different's does it makes to you are her?
Does it have some kind of effect on both of your lives?
In order to fine the average diversity of Black and White, start
with your Bible, because Adam and Eve started out with divert in the garden of Eden, and read your Black and White history books, and research, because these things you can't average out on a computer.
I am not trying to be funny with you, but I've been hearing this for fifty years, and the only way the young people will ever fine
out the truth is research; If there is a truth.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > jroday | 17-Feb-05/3:48 PM | Reply
Do you consider prayer a form of research?
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.137 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 18-Feb-05/5:46 AM | Reply
No! because prayer is private, and you never know when a person is praying.
On the other hand, you have people that only pray when something happens, and you have those that pray only to get there wishes fulfill, and never pray again until they need something else.
You can never research prayer. God says the flesh no not what it needs, therefore I listen to the soul.
The flesh may ask for many things, but few men ask for thy soul to be saved.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > jroday | 18-Feb-05/6:09 AM | Reply
I'm not talking about conducting research into other people's prayer habits, I'm talking about prayer as a form of research in itself. For instance, if you wanted to know the answer to some question, is it a valid form of research to ask God for the answer?
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.170 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 18-Feb-05/12:37 PM | Reply
You know D.A. that's a good question..That's one I can't answer, but I am sure that all men have sometime or another.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > jroday | 18-Feb-05/1:13 PM | Reply
In an examination, if you concealed a text book somewhere on your person, and attempted to cheat by looking in the text book for the answers, but failed because you brought the wrong text book by mastake, then you'd still be punished if you were caught doing it regardless of whether or not you were actually able to obtain the information you wanted from the text book. It follows that any attempt to pray during an examination - with the intention of asking God for the answers - should be forbidden, regardless of whether or not God answers, and even if you're praying to a God who doesn't exist (like -=Muslim=-). The only known method of preventing prayer transmissions from an individual is to wrap his hands in tin foil - the hands, when clasped together as is customary during the prayer ritual, act as a spiritual beacon, relaying your thoughts to God (but only if you say "Amen" at the end, obviously) and receiving His responses.
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.89 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 19-Feb-05/3:07 AM | Reply
" He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight... He also says you reap what you sow, obviously they are praying to a false god, and the only other person I know would put a thought like that in someones head is the devil.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > jroday | 19-Feb-05/3:59 AM | Reply
So do you agree with me that praying during an examination should be forbidden?
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.18 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 19-Feb-05/10:20 AM | Reply
Yes I do!
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > jroday | 10-Mar-05/5:30 PM | Reply
lol
[n/a] edpeterson @ 68.79.58.164 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Mar-05/7:17 AM | Reply
this thread of discussion has caused me to drop a plump in my trousers
[n/a] richa @ 81.178.225.182 > jroday | 18-Feb-05/9:53 AM | Reply
What exactly have you been hearing for 50 years. That the individual black person is more diverse than the individual white person. Well of course that is true, black people for instance have dark skin. Do any white people have dark skin? No. I don't need to read the bible to know that. Jesus christ, no wonder your brain went wonky.
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > richa | 18-Feb-05/1:03 PM | Reply
Black people don't necessarily have dark skin. I saw an albino Black person once (true story). But it is still true that an individual Black person is significantly more diverse than an individual White person, even if you include Black albinos. I mean what could be more diverse than a Black albino?
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.13 | 15-Feb-05/8:00 AM | Reply
Dovina love hard, and I wish you all the happiness in the world.
You don't have to explain nothing to no one.
What people think and say about you is none of your business.
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.11.59 > jroday | 15-Feb-05/8:17 AM | Reply
Yes, and I don't pay much attention to most of it. It’s a word game for a lot of them, devoid of felt life. It’s encouraging to hear someone say, “Love hard.”
[10] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > Dovina | 16-Feb-05/2:56 AM | Reply
Guff hard.
[10] Dan garcia-Black @ 66.218.59.199 | 16-Feb-05/12:10 AM | Reply
This poem is sweeter than Splenda.-10-
[n/a] Dovina @ 12.72.8.90 > Dan garcia-Black | 19-Feb-05/10:45 AM | Reply
As a substitute for sugar, I agree.
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