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A Better God (Free verse) by Dovina
When I become god of a far away planet, I’ll set up my world with great beauty and wit. And to keep me from getting too lonely, I’ll make beings to admire my work. My creatures will discover all that I’ve made quite pleasing and right in their finite minds. I’ll show them in love how their world was formed, remove any doubt of who did it or why. Ancient texts on how I created, I’ll not leave about to conflict with evidence for some other way. No, I’ll make plain how to seek me and praise, if they wish to, but never they must. Then they will let me receive them and heal their self-made diseases. That’s the kind of god I will be. Not the unknowable elusive kind.

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Posted: October 21, 2004 2:25 PM PDT; Last modified: October 21, 2004 2:25 PM PDT
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[8] MacFrantic @ 198.81.26.16 | 21-Oct-04/10:00 PM | Reply
A very satisfying plan, if only it could be... *sigh* What the hell! I'm an atheist! *8*
[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > MacFrantic | 22-Oct-04/11:34 AM | Reply
And if it were, would you still be an atheist?
[9] Dan garcia-Black @ 66.218.59.27 | 22-Oct-04/1:57 AM | Reply
It's a riddle. You're a librarian.
[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > Dan garcia-Black | 22-Oct-04/11:33 AM | Reply
You made the same comment on my last poem, "A Lovely Cog." The one before that, “To Leave a Trace,” talks of the written records we leave after our deaths. And before that, “Archivist of Emotion.” By God, you’re right, I am a librarian. Thank you.
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.91 | 23-Oct-04/8:26 AM | Reply
I love your poems. keep up the good work, and remember
Whatever is in anyway beautiful has its source of beauity in itself. and complete in itself; praise forms
no parts of it. so it is none the worse nor the better for being praised. when you create this planet let me
know.
[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > jroday | 23-Oct-04/10:59 AM | Reply
Thank you, that's true, but it's still pleasant to hear. I might add that insults slammed at poets and poetry (I'm speaking of others, not you) form no part of the quality of those people or their work. Calling someone dim, for example, or his poetry shit, has no relevance to useful criticism or evaluation.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.20.71 > Dovina | 23-Oct-04/12:01 PM | Reply
You're such a dim.
[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > Dovina | 23-Oct-04/1:23 PM | Reply
See what I mean.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.154.19.210 > Dovina | 24-Oct-04/1:46 AM | Reply
You're both wrong. Imagine a beautifull statue, 50% of which is smeared in stools. The statue is in a boothe with a microphone connected. Every time someone praises the statue, a robot arm connected to a moist wipe removes 50% of the stools on the statue. Every time someone insults the statue, 50% of the statue that remains unstooled is enstooled. It is easy to see that the amount the piece is insulted or praised is intimately linked to its beauty. Unless you consider the people looking at the work and praising/insulting it, and the microphone, and the stool cannons, as just as much a part of the piece as the statue. In which case you'd need a meta-microphone, and a meta-audience, and a meta-stool cannon and a meta-moist wipe pointed at the audience. Meta-meta-wipes? Fuck off! Either way you fail.
[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 24-Oct-04/6:30 PM | Reply
No, I would only metafail under this scenario, which brings us back to what Jroday and I are saying.
[n/a] Goad @ 217.95.223.81 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 24-Jan-05/4:18 PM | Reply
I think "Reflexive Enstooling" should be added to the list of pome categories.
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.11.11 > Dovina | 24-Oct-04/4:58 AM | Reply
It's easier than -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. makes it sound. If "insults slammed at poets and poetry ... form no part of the quality of those people or their work," then what difference does it make if someone calls your poem, say, "a Fiat's-rooftop-displayed stool of incoherence"? None, unless you're a giant suck. Personally, I mostly agree with you. And I'd go on to say your typical meaningless dribbles of praise have nothing to do with useful criticism or evaluation, either. But you're not really having any of this 'it doesn't affect my true sense of self worth' stuff anyway. That's the whole fucking point.

Besides, if I said what was horribly wrong with your poetry in an inoffensive way, you'd be forced to find some other reason to disregard my advice or, maybe, have yourself a good cry over it and then find yourself a new way to feel good about yourself like hanging with Goths or being a really great porn star specialised in interracial sodomy. Trust me, it's better for both of us this way.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.20.71 > zodiac | 24-Oct-04/8:39 AM | Reply
I am a courtly white-haired gentleman who dresses impeccably. You are an uncouth bum.
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.11.11 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 26-Oct-04/12:41 AM | Reply
I am a Milwaukee Jerky Baron with a philanthropic streak. You are a relic of the Victorians. I'm Christopher Reeve's character in the film "The Remains of the Day". You're Christopher Reeve with more hair and not dead.
[9] INTRANSIT @ 205.188.116.74 | 23-Oct-04/12:55 PM | Reply
You're staggered lines threw me. I was expecting a beat that didn't show. 30 Lashes with a soggy file box, and one hail mary over a bowl of fruity pebbles.
[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > INTRANSIT | 23-Oct-04/1:26 PM | Reply
I have to admit the beat got irregular, but I kept the offset lines for what beat there is.
[9] INTRANSIT @ 64.12.116.138 > Dovina | 23-Oct-04/4:19 PM | Reply
(cracks whip) then get back in there and "beat" it up, damnit.
lol.
[10] jroday @ 204.215.33.82 | 23-Oct-04/3:03 PM | Reply
To sum it up "I existed from all eternity and, behold,
iam here; and i shall exist till the end of time, for my being has no end.
[7] SupremeDreamer @ 65.45.152.59 | 23-Oct-04/9:27 PM | Reply
A small suggestion:

S2, L1:
-My creatures shall find everything I've created

Just my own tick really. In response to your piece, I say that:

Faith sought & praise uttered, inevitably conflict; for gods shape is incomplete, recklessly manifested-- burdened with the weight of confused human expression and mis-calculated interpretation. Amen.

Blessed with seven.

[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > SupremeDreamer | 24-Oct-04/9:30 AM | Reply
Not a bad suggestion on S2, L1.
"Praise sought" is sought by God. That seems to be one of His desires. "Praise uttered," then is a human response. Thanks for your thoughts.
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.11.11 | 24-Oct-04/5:03 AM | Reply
And then, because you always make me feel kind of furtively generous, here's some real criticism for your poem. It's more and better than you've done for anyone else here in recent memory. That's the whole fucking point. Check out this hook:

1) "with great beauty and wit" is poorly phrased and an innaccurate description of how you'd set up a world. If "with great beauty and wit" is how you'll be acting while you're setting up the world, then beauty seems kind of out of place. If the world is going to have the qualities "great beauty and wit", even before you've made people in it, then wit is out of place. You might consider changing it.

2) "discover all ... quite pleasing and right" is an innappropriate use of discover. You can't or shouldn't, for example, "discover a dog friendly". You might consider changing it.

3) I don't understand why you're not "leav[ing] about" ancient texts, when you just said you'll "show them... how their world was formed" etc. Aren't those pretty close to the same thing? You might consider changing one of them.

4) What are you on about "self-made diseases"? That's all kind of pleasing and nice, but if you're going to believe in a God, you pretty much have to believe He made diseases, too. Oh, right, you're not going to be that kind of God. Well, you might consider changing it so people don't think you're just taking a super-easy way out.

5) In fact, there's no kind of conflict here, except the half-alluded-to one with the real God, which isn't really enough and isn't fair since God can't answer. Besides, almost everybody in the world besides you and me, practically, thinks God IS exactly like this poem. As it is, this poem is just kind of a daydream and fluff. You might consider doing something about it.

6) The places where the rhythm is off make the rest of it - the rhythmed part - seem kind of jumpy and weird. You'd do better to either loosen up the rhythmy parts or tighten up the non-rhythmy ones.

7) Stanzas 2-4 just repeat the same idea, sometimes contradictorily. The last stanza, particularly, doesn't pack very much of a punch, mostly because it's already been said. You might consider adding some more ideas and condensing these to one stanza.

8) Other than an inconsistent rhythm and the big honking central conceit, there's not really a lot of poetic phrasings or devices (like bits of simile, metaphor, alliterative words, or original ways of describing things.) You should consider adding some of these.

9) By the start of the twentyfirst century, this is all kind of old hat. The only part that makes it not old hat is that most twentieth and twentyfirst century writers have figured, probably rightly, that their worlds would have all sorts of problems, too, while you haven't.

10) If you say this isn't criticism because I haven't added some, I don't know, praise-thingy on the end here, well, sorry, that's not my idea of criticism, and I guess I should have a pretty good idea about it by now, shouldn't I? Well, ta-ta!

Yours truly,
zodiac in Karak Islamland
[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > zodiac | 24-Oct-04/9:32 AM | Reply
while a few of your points make some kind of sense, this is mostly ill-conceived nonsense unworthy of your time and my response.
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.11.11 > Dovina | 25-Oct-04/1:55 AM | Reply
Could you kindly be more specific. Please, God, say you at least understood #s 2, 3, 6, 7, 8 & 10?!
[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > zodiac | 25-Oct-04/11:28 AM | Reply
#2, for example, is an alright use of the word "discover" because they discover what god has made (step 1) and find it pleasing (step 2). It's a poem for god's sake, not a technical writing on science and religion.
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.11.11 > Dovina | 26-Oct-04/12:38 AM | Reply
In all seriousness, can you see the differences between the following:

a) "discover all that I’ve made quite pleasing and right";

b) my simplified example, "discover a dog friendly"; and

c) the structure in your comment, "discover what god has made and find it pleasing"?

In the first two, "discover" is performing the action which results in "pleasing and right"; in the last "find" is. I see now you meant to use "discover" as a synonym for "find", which of course it is, but not in the sense that you can "find grammar difficult", you see? Why not correct it by simply saying something like

"My creatures will find all the things that I've made
quite pleasing and right etc etc".

As far as "not a technical writing on science and religion" goes, what do you mean? And why shouldn't a poem hold together somewhat logically, grammatically, philosophically and so on and so on and so on. I don't know if you read poetry, or what kind of poetry you read, but I dare you to find me a famous poem that's not pretty consistent in these respects. At least, I can't think of any at the moment. Hey, thanks for listening.
[n/a] Dovina @ 24.52.156.155 > zodiac | 26-Oct-04/10:15 AM | Reply
Oh I see, you want me to replace my gross error, "My creatures will discover all that I’ve made quite pleasing and right" with your sublime, "My creatures will find all the things that I've made quite pleasing and right".
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.11.11 > Dovina | 27-Oct-04/1:01 AM | Reply
Yes, I think it would be a good idea for you to replace a grammatically-correct and stupid-sounding line with one that is, at least, correct. The only reasons I can think of that you wouldn't change it is that you think "discover" is an especially exciting and evocative word and you have a poet's somewhat illfounded aversion to the word "thing". As far as discover goes, it's not. You just think so because it's long and you think long words, inappropriately used, are better than short words, appropriately used. If your point is to evoke some feeling for the reader, discover does nothing. Who the fuck has ever discovered anything and then said, oh, what I'm doing now is "discovering"? Hereafter, whenever I hear the word "discover" it will recall for me that dizzying bowel-loosening feeling I have now! No one, that's who.

"Thing" is probably a poor word choice, but not nearly as bad as an ungrammatical, botched-metered line for the sake of using "discover". Why don't you use "everything" in the place of "all the things"? Or figure something out yourself. I'm not going to write your fucking poem for you, JEEZ!!!!
[n/a] Goad @ 217.95.223.81 > zodiac | 24-Jan-05/5:13 PM | Reply
ahem, aversion to "thing" considered illfounded?!? You've forgotten our battle of limericks over the word, then, have you?

I'm not sure it's an actual error to use discover as a synonym for the sense of find that means "come to feel", but it certainly is jarring, and by using it so you risk making those readers who possess a finely developed literary sensitivity wince.
I did.
And since I was reading during my morning enstooling, it caused me in fact to inadvertently pinch off a log quite before I was ready to do so. The delicate mopping away of the resulting splashings necessitated my full attention, hence I was unable to complete my perusal of the pome. These are the risks one takes with one's audience when one neglects to adequately ponder proper usage!

English 201:

if you intended "discover" as a synonym for the sense of find that means "come to feel" then:

"My creatures will discover that all I've made
seems quite pleasing and right to their finite minds"

was what you were looking for.

If you intended discover as a synonym for the sense of find that means "judge", the only d-word I'm aware of is "deem":

My creatures will deem all I've made
quite pleasing and right in their finite minds.
[n/a] Dovina @ 205.184.70.141 > Goad | 25-Jan-05/10:04 AM | Reply
I like "deem" but zodiac will dislike it for that reason and impute his dislike to something quite literary or enstooling.
[3] zodiac @ 212.38.134.51 > Dovina | 26-Jan-05/1:04 AM | Reply
I really don't dislike things for that reason. I dislike things because they're stupid. Except the Arabic television program Tash Matash. I love that shit.
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.11.11 | 5-Nov-04/11:38 PM | Reply
If you were a god, which of the following would you be?

a) Just like yourself now, only with invisibility and creating-matter-from-nothing superpowers;

b) Have invisibility and matter-creating powers, plus a +50 Cloak of Perfection (ie, also perfect);

c) It's all the same thing, since if you were God whatever you thought or did would have to be by definition perfect - kind of like the reality (but not the idea) of Papal infallibility probably is.
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > zodiac | 7-Nov-04/12:50 AM | Reply
The way I see it, whichever you pick you have to believe God - the real God - isn't really perfect.

For a), you'd have a rough time claiming your planet was better than the real God's, since he'd just say, "How can it be? I'm perfect and you're not. If you don't understand how I run my planet, maybe that's BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PERFECT." And it's true: without perfection, you stand the big chance of your planet being a colossal mistake.

If you picked b), you're screwed already, since being perfect would make you exactly like the current God (assuming he's perfect), and you'd have to decide to make a planet exactly like he did.

And I can't go in for c). It just makes the word "perfect" kind of trash and trampy, while I believe in real (or at least some abstract notion of) perfection. I mean, if you're going to make up a word like "perfect" and make it mean something like "completely suited for a particular purpose or situation," or its even stricter (maybe) religious sense, then there's not much good in fucking around with it.

In short, it's probably easy for you to believe in a God who's not perfect, since you don't seem to really believe in God anyway. But for a poem that presumes a (probably Christian) God right off the bat, even ironically, that seems kind of dumb. The way I see it, you kind of have to accept that if there's a God, or at least the Christian one, he's perfect. That's part of His definition.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > zodiac | 7-Nov-04/9:47 AM | Reply
The narrator clearly does not think God is perfect. The poem is a complaint against God, or to God if He reads Poemranker. Any prayer for God’s action assumes He is influenced by the human request, and therefore imperfect. Otherwise, He would not want prayer, would act without it, and would not ask for it. Maybe He enjoys our fussing about such stuff.
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > Dovina | 8-Nov-04/4:06 AM | Reply
Maybe. But I can't get past the idea that God would just say to you, "I'm perfect. Surely I know what's the best way to respond to prayers. And anyway, there's tons of prayers I don't answer and tons of great things I do for people who don't pray. It probably seems kind of higgledypiggledy to anyone who isn't perfect."

How do you argue with that? Anyone?
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > zodiac | 8-Nov-04/9:51 AM | Reply
Aren't we kicking around the same idea?
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.20.71 > zodiac | 8-Nov-04/2:28 PM | Reply
By trumping, and saying "How d'you like that, God?!!"
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 8-Nov-04/2:33 PM | Reply
If God is perfect, you cannot trump. I thought that was the topic.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 208.131.173.64 > Dovina | 10-Nov-04/3:30 PM | Reply
You complete fucknut. Of course you can trump Him. The Devil trumped Him in the Garden of Eden by casting the apple of knowledge into the bow'ls of nudity: He certainly wasn't expecting that one!!!!!1111
[n/a] Dovina @ 17.255.240.138 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 10-Nov-04/4:36 PM | Reply
He was if He's perfect --------- (insert insult!!!!!)
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.20.71 > Dovina | 11-Nov-04/1:49 PM | Reply
Both of you shrivelled old man's sacks have misunderstood the use of the word 'trump' anyhow: 'To trump' (intransitive) is to produce a smug, trumpet-like sound from between one's buttocks.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Nov-04/2:13 PM | Reply
Listen to him trump his way out of trying to trump.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 208.131.173.64 > Dovina | 11-Nov-04/7:55 PM | Reply
Listen to you big time not getting it.
Then what, pray tell, is an Parp!?
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Nov-04/8:15 PM | Reply
An parp is something that starts with a vowel.
[3] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 8-Nov-04/11:53 PM | Reply
I imagine He would like it.
[9] sir_heff @ 65.172.117.1 | 16-Dec-04/9:27 AM | Reply
thats why god has to be a man, he's just to lazy to care
[8] PsydewaysTears @ 69.240.74.35 | 19-Dec-04/12:05 AM | Reply
I like this. A strong religious statement that's good both on a personal and universal level. Not too over-told or sidetracked, the focus is exactly where it should be. Lines thirteen and fourteen spoke most loudly to me, but it's altogether a worthwhile read.

•°•Gregory James•°•
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > PsydewaysTears | 19-Dec-04/9:16 AM | Reply
Thanks, and welcome to Poemranker. I’ve read several of yours and hope to get back soon.
[10] dancin_n_da_moonlite @ 152.163.100.135 | 30-Dec-04/12:19 PM | Reply
this is beautifully written - i love it
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > dancin_n_da_moonlite | 30-Dec-04/12:22 PM | Reply
Thanks, I'm still getting it set up - transportation problems and all.
[1] Edna Sweetlove @ 81.178.68.233 | 18-Jul-06/10:24 AM | Reply
You'd make a better god than that Christian idiot some people like.
[n/a] Dovina @ 70.38.78.229 > Edna Sweetlove | 18-Jul-06/8:03 PM | Reply
Actually, the Christian God is better in the same way my mother was when I told her, at age ten, that she had conducted a game unfairly at my birthday party.
[1] Edna Sweetlove @ 81.178.70.5 | 13-Aug-06/6:00 PM | Reply
Boring garbage.
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