Re: a comment on Sonata for Robin and Poet by Dovina	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	20-Nov-05/5:47 AM
Nah, it was me.
Re: leah by T. Jonathron Remp	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	20-Nov-05/5:45 AM
Do not the burning embers dwindle in the light of their own lives? (and yet) the oldest flames may still rekindle. This is how love survives. Line 1 and 8 contradict each other. Say "I shall be" and then "shall I be" out loud 3 times each. I bet "shall I be" is a little easier to say, huh? It also bounces off the following "for she" better. Use words we don't hear all the time like "hearth".(bonus points if you can think of a word (not name) that rhymes with "hearth".) When writing about someone you love say something obscure or secretive like "I still taste the mandarins of our youth"
Re: a comment on Sonata for Robin and Poet by Dovina	cyan9 84.12.150.59	20-Nov-05/5:13 AM
I think I must of deleted the piece that you declared as being hard to rank, since it was from LaLa Land. I think you rated it 5 and argued with zodiac till he rated it 10 to negate your 5.
Re: a comment on Beneath the Willow Tree by cyan9	cyan9 84.12.150.59	20-Nov-05/5:07 AM
No, but the only other people who seem to comment on this site are Alchemy and Dovina, so there weren't many oppurtunities between the arguements.
Re: a comment on Beneath the Willow Tree by cyan9	cyan9 84.12.150.59	20-Nov-05/5:05 AM
I don't know, all is seem to get from allpoetry is: "Wow! Awesome imagery, liked the line..." "Nice Write" "Wow! Deep ......."
Re: leah by T. Jonathron Remp	cyan9 84.12.150.59	20-Nov-05/2:26 AM
I am slightly confused here as to whether this is about retiring with someone or fire walking, or doing fire walking for someone... I cant believe somebody rated this a zero though. More clarity would have scored ayou a higher vote from me.
Re: a comment on Amber's Witness by cyan9	cyan9 84.12.150.59	20-Nov-05/2:07 AM
A very good suggestion at that. I'd never come across that word before and it also would go in vein with the hint of narcotics that I was trying to add there. Its downside is that it takes out the rhyme from marks in the bark which speeds up the pace at that point. But I think I may use your suggestion and also bring the narcotic theme out a bit.
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	zodiac 212.38.134.51	19-Nov-05/11:58 PM
PS-The best (and perhaps only dignified) way to show you don't care about an argument but ARE capable of completing it is to write the whole thing out in funny dialogue form. Your response to this is going to be that you don't care to do things the best way. Your response to that is going to be that parroting back my predictions is some kind of cleverness.
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	zodiac 212.38.134.51	19-Nov-05/11:53 PM
This part of the conversation has had nothing to do with beliefs, strongly held or otherwise. However, you are disqualified from many subjects due to your strongly held beliefs. DOVINA: Ay, dios! He's assuming I have beliefs. He has a belief about my having beliefs! ZODIAC: You just assumed I had beliefs about your beliefs. Twice. DOVINA: I could stand up now if I tried, but I choose not to try. ZODIAC: Would you try telling me how I came by my so-called beliefs?
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	zodiac 212.38.134.51	19-Nov-05/11:47 PM
You dummy. By declaring that I would declare myself the winner, you're declaring yourself the winner. I win.
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	zodiac 212.38.134.51	19-Nov-05/11:45 PM
Saying "trump" is not positing a response. It is only trumping. The rest of this comment is your typical madness. To wit: DOVINA: I particularly don't believe in assuming beliefs in others when they have not clearly stated blah blah blah ZODIAC: I don't do that. DOVINA: I never said you did. I was commenting generally. ZODIAC: But you're assuming beliefs. About me. DOVINA: Trump. I'm "wily".
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	19-Nov-05/7:31 PM
I have Twains story of The garden of Eden in my computer somewhere.
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	ALChemy 24.74.101.159	19-Nov-05/7:23 PM
In my teen years.
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	Dovina 69.175.32.104	19-Nov-05/6:46 PM
Maybe I did not say it clearly enough. I ton't particularly enjoy trumping anyone. Spastics can be intelligent, and/or heartwarmingly integral, and might be able to fly a plane if it had voice controls. I thought we had covered that before. Trumping is not necessarily counter-intellectual. It can be arogant, but not always. It is not beneath me, I just don't usually enjoy it. I thought all this was clear. What is it you're saying again?
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	Dovina 69.175.32.104	19-Nov-05/6:45 PM
Maybe I did not say it clearly enough. I ton't particularly enjoy trumping anyone. Spastics can be intelligent, and/or heartwarmingly integral, and might be able to fly a plane if it had voice controls. I thought we had covered that before. Trumping is not necessarily counter-intellectual. It can be arogant, but not always. It is not beneath me, I just don't usually enjoy it. I thought all this was clear. What is it you're saying again?
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 81.151.150.39	19-Nov-05/6:39 PM
'Integrity is something a person does with the appearance of thoughtful conversation, wouldn't you say?' No, I wouldn't say. Spastics are incapable of the 'appearance of thoughtful conversation,' yet many of them are the most heartwarmingly 'integral' people I know. This has nothing to do with whether or not trumping is counter-intellectual, and everything to do with the fact that while you think it's arrogant and beneath you, you continue to trump in the first derivative. Integrate your way out of that one, spazmo.
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	Dovina 69.175.32.104	19-Nov-05/6:16 PM
I think you're missing some history here. You see, zodiac likes to trump; I really don't care to. The two proposed arguments here, if carried along past courses, would end with him trumping, by simply declaring himself the winner. I just didn't want to do that again, not that I don't enjoy his antics, but it's getting a bit much. Integrity is something a person does with the appearance of thoughtful conversation, wouldn't you say? For example I could ask you if a spastic should be allowed to fly a plane. If you say yes, citing the high mental abilities of some spastics, I could trump with the common usage of the word spastic to mean dimtard. On the other hand if you say no, then I could cite the abilities of spastics. In either case I would shine with integrity and you would look dumb.
Re: a comment on Us Sinners by BrandonW	-=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. 81.151.150.39	19-Nov-05/5:59 PM
Saying "I could trump you but won't" is the worst of both worlds. Not only do you keep your ego in tact by letting everyone know you could grind your opponent to a pulp, but you also casually 'avoid' the guilt associated with publicly humiliating someone. It's an easy game to play, provided you don't let a little thing called integrity stand in the way. The rest of us aren't so greasy. In future, if you can trump someone, have the balls to trump them openly. If you can't, or won't because you're against trumping on principle, then don't you dare try to take the moral high ground by positing a stealth trump, then pretending it never existed.
Re: a comment on Sonata for Robin and Poet by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	19-Nov-05/4:41 PM
You've sent me scurrying around to see where I said you wrote something from LaLa Land. I did make a comment like that awhile back, but I don't see it on any of your poems. Did you delete a poem? Remind me and I'll look at it again. As a general comment, your poems and comments have been good. Thanks for commenting.
Re: Amber's Witness by cyan9	Dovina 69.175.32.104	19-Nov-05/4:35 PM
A good take on leaves and cycles. Line 2 seems to have an "and" and a "the" too many. Track marks in bark might better be under cambium - just a suggestion.