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There (Free verse) by Dovina When I get there, I'm going to shout!
I'm going to be so very happy.
I'll relax because I'm there.
I'm not going to work anymore.
I'm going to sleep and eat chocolate
and watch soap operas
because I'll have lots of time.
Then I'm going to . . .
and . . .
What?
I hope I never get there.
Up the ladder:
Rose
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Enochian Magic
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ALChemy @ 24.74.100.11
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28-Feb-06/1:19 AM
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Been there, done that.
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Dovina @ 69.175.32.104
> ALChemy
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28-Feb-06/9:22 AM
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lol. Then my wisdom is arriving too late into your life. Perhaps some other poor lost soul I can save.
OH! Type A personalities! groan...:~
If I wrote this it would have been so different! All the possibilities...no clocks, no time...just the sheer joy of 'being'...like a child...I would have just played with the idea and excitement of 'possibility'...but THAT is me, and this is you. I enjoy my own time and am never bored...never. Perhaps when you get there you will find a child waiting to show you what to do:)
There's a child there, alright. I see her in the distance, unable to stand or feed herself. No, really, I see your point. Thanks.
When you get there, chill for a while, have a drink, then find somewhere new to go. How else could soap operas have survived for such a tragically long time?
I did that, had a drink, then took one horribly disappointing step in the direction of Robert Frost.
Ooh, not a cool plan...
Drink, sit, write. Then tomorrow you can do something else.
But I did that yesterday.
no, no, no...GO PLAY! No sitting...unless it is in the sunshine watching butterflies fly, or to hang your toes in the water, or to watch people doing the strange and wonderful things they do.
Develop self-peeling oranges.
I did that years ago, almost in a former life, by lying in the sand at Long Beach. No, face it, all is vanity. There is nothing new under the sun.
I'd give you some words of inspiration like the others did but right now I've got to go curl up into a fetal position and weep quietly into my pillow.
Having arrived at the ultimate meaning for your life, may I suggest giving up. Yes, admit that amanda_dcosta was right all along.
The ultimate meaning in life is that we are greater than God because God can't make plastic. Amanda is right (about all the stuff she said about you behind your back.) Don't bother asking, I'll never tell.
You probably told her that God can't make plastic. And she probably said He can, just ask Dovina. And you probably said Dovina is is unqualified to say. And she probably said, "Dovina has a plastic crucifix." So take that an admit to being ovulated.
No, I'd say mostly she holds on to a woody.
God I'm going to hell for that one.
After you've made it there, made it to hell, and retrieved the woody, take a good hard look at your life and ask yourself if maybe there was another prayer you would rather have God answer than, "God I'm going to hell for that one."
I would give your comment more thought but if I did
blood would shoot out my nose.
Fear not, blood will not surely shoot or run. What surely exudes is prayer, when we least expect.
Did you know that the savior you pray to is really a Greek/Roman god called Mithra or Mithras. In case I forget next Dec.25, Merry Mithras' Birthday Dovina.
I wish I had your faith, brother. I'm a simple woman, not easily given to certitudes.
No you don't. No you aren't and yes you are.
I told you you should believe Amanda, see she's your savior.
Even if you did nail me on two out of three, the third still stands.
She certainly seems to be a more compassionate God, and her name's more fun to say.
(Looks to the sky) "Our Amanda d'Costa, who art in Heaven..."
Al, by the way, do you know that my maiden name is Mittra, spelt also as Mithra? (Bengali)... Hmmmmm, that's my day then!
I could see myself praying to you.
Be careful around Easter time, That day's got your number. Really though, the simularities are astounding. Mithra: Savior Born Dec.25 of a virgin, Son of God, Magi were there, Sunday's a holy day, baptisms, healed the sick, cast out demons, raised the dead, had a last supper, belief in heaven above and hell below, The name Pope or Papa comes from the Mithraisms high priest title "Pater Patrum", was buried in a cave and was resurected, the list just goes on and on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism
ALCHEMY? You tell tales eh? My my! Now what's becoming of you?
By the way Bruce Almighty, what's happening to you. You still haven't figured out your inspiration and divine voice?
What would give you that idea?
Don't act the goat and plead innocence.....
I'm not. I think I believe in God more than most people. I don't seem to have a choice. I've tried not to believe but I can't help it, I feel God's presence, I seem to understand things that are indescribable like the very presence of God. I know you'll say I feel him too but you don't, not in the same way, not till you have every reason not to believe and you still can't help but believe.
See I'm screwy like that.
Aaaah! I see you're beginning to meditate. Carry on..... what other insight is there, that you might want to share?
No, I was born with this state of mind.
Allow me to pop in and say: Yes, exactly. Please carry on.
Any fresh insight?
To be continued...
I too have felt His presence, even though I know He's a made up person. The last time it happened, I was putting on my cummerbund when I felt a low frequency vibration in my midst. It coincided with a faint rumbling noise, closely followed by cacophonous trumpeting, which I took to be the Trumpets of God. There was also a strong smell of dung, but I don't know what that was.
See Amanda, I'm not the only one.
By the way D.A. the dung smell is Beelzebub. He's shaking his fist at you and God saying "Consarn you!".
Hypothetical question: You show up at Heaven. Let's say God doesn't know anything about you but you bring a freind to Heaven who he also doesn't know very much about except what others have told him about your friend. Your friend testifies on your behalf that you are a truly good person and are worthy of God's acceptance. Should God let you in to Heaven right away or should he take your friend's testimony with a grain of salt and get to know you himself before letting you in?
He should subject both of them to an elaborate series of physical and mental trials, quite like the ones Indiana Jones has to pass to get to the Holy Grail. The whole affair should be conducted like an episode of The Crystal Maze. If they pass, they get to go to Heaven, and they also win an adventure holiday in the Lake District. If they fail, they have to hand their badges back to the commissioner, then sit in the corner and think about what they've done.
I'm sure he has a very special and undoubtedly hilarious place set aside for you when you finally decide things are getting too boring on earth and unplug your dialisis machine.
Your right, I think the Indiana Jones test should be mandatory.
Take a coin. It'll improve your chances. If you think you can "do a fake-out" by not taking a coin, you deserve to be punished.
Or even better, take 100 coins, each with one side black and one side white.
Really, Alchemy, look at the probability of all this happening by chance. You set forth a savior in response to something I said. Amanda tells you that is her maiden name. And shortly before all this happened, I pointed out the prayer in your offhand comment about hell. Of course, all this followed your dialog with Amanda concerning your relationship with God. I hate to sound like a pulpit-pounding woman preacher, but take heed, brother, the Hand of God may be strongly on your side.
Al...what's this about you going to hell. Please don't. All the dark gangs might want to rush up to our paradise if you go down and then there'll be chaos. you stay here on earth...... That's where you fit in best.
Boy, that's the most generously packaged insult I've ever recieved. I guess Mithramas came early for me this year.
Al, I see that you've missed me all this time I took a break from PR. So I brought you a gift. I hope you like it.
I relly wonder why Alchemy deserves such attention fron two of the fairer sex! What did he do to earn this attention? Dovina, you any clues?
Thank you Mithras, may I pleathe have another.
Not on your life!
Did you know that when the mob caught Jesu in Gethsemane, He was hiding in a burrow? Numerous eye witness counts testify to this fact, but they have been airbrushed from history because early Christians found the concept of a subterranean deity undignifying. My own view is that burrows can provide excellent cover if you're about to be crucified for the sins of mankind.
There is no hand. It's just a state of mind. Poets and writers and prophets mythologize these things so they're easier to explain to people who don't know how to think beyond language.
Maybe God has a hand and maybe it's a metaphor. The point is that if he is God, then He can act, select, and do anything He wants. It is also quite obvious that He thinks differently and better than we do.
No not different. He can't do what ever he wants. Don't you even read your bible? God has to obay the laws too. You're still talking more about the myth of God and not the presence of God.
You're making progress though.
If God must follow rules, then he is not very powerful. He seems to have made some rules, which He follows most of the time, but to say that he MUST is to say that the presence you feel is of someone more powerful that God. This is really just playing with words, though, because the presence of God is the presence of the supreme, however we define Him. You, too, are making progress.
AlChemy must mean the rule that Jesus has to let certain people (the poor, the good thief, etc.) into heaven, and the rule to make weepers and mourners laugh - which, as far as we know, -=YAHWEH=- has kept. It's possible he meant the Covenant with Israel too, but I think Jesus had veto power on that.
Alchemy may mean that or you may mean that, but God? No, to be God is be free from rules, to obey them only if You want to. That includes rules about who gets into heaven, a place you and I are not likely to see.
I've seen it and zodiac will probably make it in on good deeds alone while you'll probably need a good lawyer, maybe Johnny Cochran.
If God is swayed by Johnny Cochran, I'll just stay away, thank you.
Besides, if zodiac is there, I'd have to demasculate him on the first day, blood-staining the golden streets and upsetting the saints with his cries for mercy.
Oh, so Johnny corrupts heaven and God, why because he got O. J. aquitted?-Or maybe just 'cause he's black?
No, because he's a poet. He wins with cute-sounding phrases, having no real meaning, i.e. "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."
So it's because he got O.J. aquitted. You wouldn't consider him a poet any other way.
No, look at how ridicululously strong poetry is. Slogans that mean nothing, but rhyme, swaying juries and voters. Yes, that's how he got OJ acquitted
There's nothing strong in what he said, it was just a catchy slogan like you said. Poetry didn't free O.J., good lawyering on his side and awful lawyering on the other is what got him aquitted. Oh, that and a little help from God too.
To say that God helped OJ Simpson to get acquitted is the most disgusting insult to God I have ever heard! Lent has just begun, and it may not be too late for you to take a vow, put ashes on head go about in deep contrition until Easter.
What rule say's that God can't or won't help a retired negro athelete get away with sawing off his exwife's head with a rusty knife?
God can do what God wants. No rule prevents Him from doing this as far as I know. I was saying that in my humble judgemant, I would be very disappointed in God if I knew he had done something so egregious. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
So now you've reduced your god to someone you could scold. Good for you.
"Bad God, look what you did!"(she then rubs his nose in his crap).
David did it in the Psalms, why can't I?
Queen of the Jews.
If God is supreme than he can only do things one way, rightously perfect, so you see he is limited and must follow the rules of goodness. I know this because he told me so, so if you value your soul please re-evaluate your stance on this subject.
Why does He have to be righteous to be supreme? Did He tell you that?
Yes.
Sorry, got to go to work now, seeya.
Only if we define righteousness as whatever God wants. If we give it some man-made definition, we put ourselves above God.
The only definition for "righteousness" is a man made one. Nobody knows the wants of God. We only know what he supposedly told us in the bible like that he's good and perfect and so he's incapable of doing evil. He must follow the laws of righteousness. All your doing is saying the same thing over and over which is that you think God can do anything he wants to including evil apparently. Have you ever heard of the Covenant? There's the rule of honoring your word. He let his son die so that he wouldn't break that one. Maybe you're just Jewish but not very good at it.
Yes, I am saying the same thing over and over again. And yes, I think God honors His word - in covenants and otherwise. But we cannot hold God to our understanding of what H said or our definitions of words that He uses.
I think that we agree on the supremecy of God, and therefore his preogative to do what He wants. We do have our different ways of saying it though.
Apparently you get your understanding of God from little monkeys in your head. My God Dovina, where the hell do you think your understanding of God comes from? Is it some other mystical source nobody but you knows about. You see, the minute you start trying to use logic to explain God your fucked. God is hidden from logic. He only shows himself in an emotional presence. You can say I feel him but you can't say I know him. All we know about him is what others have told us about him and the others are all saying you've gone batty Dovina. See, I'm just saying how I feel God's presence, I'm not trying to define God and preach to you saying "God is this, God is that". I'm not saying you're wrong about you're God, I'm saying you're wrong about my God. So back off, And I think I'm speaking for alot of people when I say that.
Frankly, I don't think you've accused me of anything I have not said about myself.
Did I use logic to explain God? - Only in saying that if He is God, then he is above our understanding and above our rules. Did I preach to you, saying "God is this, God is that"? I have feelings about God as you do, but I don't think I presented mine to you as truths to be heeded. Did I say that I know God? Well maybe I did. It says somwhere that God created me in His image, created all of us in His image. I like to think of the autonoimy that imples, and contained in it, the ability to relinquish my freedom or to use it creatively, in some small image, as God created. Anyway, I still see this discussion as more about how we describe God than about how we perceive Him.
This is insane. It's perfectly easy for a man-made description to apply to God. For example, the man-made adjective "god-like" means "having qualities like God's." Of course, that description applies excellently to God. If it's misused in describing people or things that DON'T have qualities like God's, that's not exactly God's fault, now, is it?
Thank you for supporting me. We may be insane, but we agree.
I sincerely didn't know we were agreeing. Would I had still said it if I'd known? I'd like to think so. But then, I also think that situation won't ever actually arise.
Unlike God, Dovina can say whatever she wants because she's crazy and crazy people don't have to make sense.
Smart people don't have to make sense either.
I am teetering between thinking you are joking with me and thinking that you are totally serious. Our differences are small - really, that's what I think. And I don't think I have changed any of my statements to make a better argument. I think my position has been the same all along. I hope you have not taken the absurd things I have said as serious. I'll point them out for you if you ask, but in the past, you have usually known when I am joking.
I'm not trying to Dark Angel you and I hope you aren't trying to do the same. Obviously nobody here can tell were your jokes end and your seriousness begins or is it visa-versa. Don't worry though I still find your coyness in these aguments adorable.
Then you weren't angry?
No, of course not, just confused by the things you said.
God is the biggest load of guff to have hit the human race since monkey-times. If you believe in Him, an important part of your brain is beyond demented.
I could ask the usual questions that make atheism look more like belief than theism. Let's skip that; it's all been done.
No you couldn't. Anyway you don't even understand what atheism is (I suggest you start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism). To understand my position, consider this: if I told you there was an invisible shoehorn floating behind Saturn, would you believe me? No. Could you prove it false? No. Does your not believing me therefore constitute an act of faith? No. Because there is a fucking difference between 'rejection of belief in X' and 'assertion of Not X'. Every claim I've heard people make about God is unverifiable, just like the claim I made about the invisible shoehorn. I believe in God just as much as I believe in invisible shoehorns behind Saturn. I mean, at least invisible shoehorns don't have the capacity to perform miracles.
Are you sure you want to go there in this already crowded space?
Actually I've changed my mind. I do believe in God because, you know, just look at the world around us. And because He's beyond our understanding. Yes, that must be it.
Yes, I knew you would get there on your own, reject belief in atheism and at the same time assert Not-atheism.
Atheism isn't a proposition. It's a noun. Your entire life is a moral and intellectual abdication.
I have abandoned some beliefs along the way, but none so needful of abdication as cursing the cartoon-making "dog" while denying the existance of the God Mohammed worshipped.
Do you suppose thinking cartoonists who disrespect Islams are dogs and thinking -=Allah=- exists are somehow intrinsically connected? Here's an analogy: You have a belief that God exists. -=Dark_Angel=- mercilessly mocks that belief. I don't believe in God, but I think -=Dark_Angel=- is an uncouth bum. I'm sure he would agree. Thanks.
Obviously, yes.
Oh, so you're just full of beans?
No, obviously my answer to your question is, "yes." He is full ob beans for believing that; and yes, the two things that you say are unrelated, are very related.
That's just stupid. Seriously, it's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. What if, instead of being about God, this conversation had taken the following tack?
DOVINA: I believe The Giant Salami flies around delivering gifts to crippled children on St Crispin's day. -=Dark_Angel=-: Salamis are silly meats, you ugly bint. ZODIAC: I think -=Dark_Angel=- is rude and should apologize. First, the preceding dialogue is exactly equivalent to the cartoon brouhaha. Second, do you mean to say that in order to think -=Dark_Angel=- is rude and out of line, I have to believe The Giant Salami actually exists? That's insane. Thirdly, your head's full of beans.
And those dogs who printed those cartoons should be punished for their crimes. Cartoons depicting -=MUSLIM=- should be answered with postcards from Planet Rage. The streets of Denmark should be awash with the blood of fallen prawnes.
Turkey just made they're most expensive film to date about how American soldiers kidnap Turkish women and children, kill them and sell their organs to an American Jewish doctor. They also storm into a wedding and mercilessly kill all the men, women and children on the spot for apperently no reason, all in graphic detail. So I guess Turkey hunting season is about to begin.
http://www.nysun.com/article/27250
You are like Gary Glitter's cock. You know what you are about to do is stupid and shouldn't be done but yet you still keep poking your head up to take a good slapping.
"Your entire life is a moral and intellectual abdication." is the best comment on the whole of poemranker about Dovina.
Wouldn't it be nice if there was one though. You know if maybe you're running by Saturn and -woops- your invisible shoe falls off and the laces are hard to see so you don't want to mess with them so you hope the invisible shoe horn touches you so you can grab it and use it to fix your dilemma.
You'd have to believe in it first. Otherwise you'd be thrust into a pair of exquisite poulaines for all eternity.
Sorry to change up the analogy but sometimes mom's kiss on a skinned knee eases the pain better than any medicine. Just as long as you're smart enough to get it disinfected later.
If he's above our understanding then why even bother believing in him when you have no idea who or what he really is? You link not understanding him to him being exempt from any rules when you obviously can't understand him enough to know whether or not he is exempt from rules. Don't even try to make an excuse for that remark, it's beyond repair. As far as truths to be heeded goes- you're one of the one's warning me about claiming to be damned to hell. Did you say that you know God? Well in your second claim of the above response you say you obviously can't know God because he's above our understanding and then down a little further you say well maybe I do. I went as far as the begining of the universe, quantum physics and even into an ancient philosophy to try to define God and only came out with a Dark Angel thrown egg on my face. Do you really think I give a damn about how you would describe God let alone percieve him. It was you and Amanda that started the preaching.
Why is it necessary to understand God in all his bum-swelling fullness to believe in Him - or even "get it" for all intents and purposes? According to Augustine, none of us understand the concept of infinite time and space, but that doesn't stop us from setting out microwave timers to make Hot Pockets just right.
That's my point. None of us are God's psychologist. It's one thing to say you believe in God, It's another to say you know for instance that he has no hair on his balls. What she's doing is contradicting the bible from which she basis her God on. I'm only saying that I feel his presence but I can't and won't try to define it. Then she goes and changes what she says so that it'll make for a better argument. How blasphemous is that?
Where did I change what I said?
"Did I use logic to explain God? - Only in saying that if He is God, then he is above our understanding and above our rules."
Summary: I don't know God. "Did I preach to you, saying "God is this, God is that"? I have feelings about God as you do, but I don't think I presented mine to you as truths to be heeded." Summary: I still don't know God. "Did I say that I know God? Well maybe I did. It says somwhere that God created me in His image, created all of us in His image. I like to think of the autonoimy that imples, and contained in it, the ability to relinquish my freedom or to use it creatively, in some small image, as God created." Summary: OK, maybe I know God.
I don't know God, and maybe I know God. I see no conflict here. It's like saying I don't know God, but maybe what I think about Him is actually knowing Him, in part, of course. It's a paradox and a pleasant way of thinking.
I blame my parents for being so different from each other that I am in constant contradiction with myself. So yeah, I understand where your coming from.
I fail to see why this has gone on so long and why you object so much to what I have said. Both of us have said that we do not understand God, and both of us have speculated on what God might be like. Hopefully, I have not presented my speculations as something I expect you to believe, thereby preaching to you.
Surely, you take as jest my asking you to put ashes on your head and repent, or telling you should go to hell to retrieve a woody. If I have preached, I must appologize. The thing that bother me concerning your statements about God is simply this: You keep saying that God MUST follow rules, covenants and the like. Correct me if I have misunderstood you. Also correct me if I am wrong in saying that if God has to follow rules, then who, really, is God? If you answer that God made rules, and MUST obey them, my response is simply that God can change any rule He makes.
All I've been saying over and over is that I believe in god for no particular reason besides the strong sense I have of his existence. D.A. may be right, maybe it's just gas. You, I assume are referring to the biblical god for which you have contradicted several times. See as soon as you start to define god, even in the vaguest of ways you automatically start setting up rules around him. You can define God as he who is beyond rules but then by rule he is beyond rules even if he chooses to be within rules. So that in itself is a rule for he must be able to do whatever he wants. Even something that is undefined is by rule without a sure definition aside from the definition that it is not yet defined. Only if you go outside any logical description can you make god exempt from any rule or law. Christians often use your kind of double talk when confronted with defending the logic behind god. Of course if you're just talking about Dovina's god then this conversation truly was pointless.
We are talking about our perceptions of God, yours and mine. My perception is not the typical Christian God of the Bible, though I respect the Bible. I mix in my emotions about God, some logic, philosophy, and ideas from Buddahism and other faiths. Call it Dovina's god, if you wish, but I think there is only one God. Heck, I've even begun to consider some aspects of Alchemy's God.
Don't you dare. He's my God, all mine, so mnah ;p
I'm beginning warm up to the idea of you being the Queen of the Jews. They need some of that new wave approach to their religion. The old one's getting dusty and it's starting to smell bad. Kids, I think we've learned from this to never assume that the God someone is talking about is your God. "So now we know and knowing is half the battle, YOOOOOO JOE".
What is this new title, "Queen of the Jews" Do you think I'm a Jew? Not in genetics or religion, how so, then?
By election. I've nominated you.
Check your King David comment.
I decline the nomination
If you don't imagine that Bible at least Jesus is telling the truth in the Bible, what can you imagine?
"Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try..."
Maybe you should pick a different "there". Yours sounds like it sucks, but that's no reason to give up on theres in general.
Dovina, this reminds me of a song...
"We are going, heaven knows where we are going We know we are. We will get there Heaven knowsthat we will get there We know we will" Reading your verse made this song pop up in my head. By the way, ]where are you going to.... and chocolates are not good for you... think of all the calories and high fat content..... not a good idea. Take my advice, don't go there. 299 view(s)
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