Re: a comment on Yellow Star by Mr Pig	22-Jul-03/8:16 PM
i thought my poem a pig and jew on island was hilarious did you read that? Good god,I put some shit in there that had me shaking my head while writing it. It's brilliant, read it again. I even take a cheapshot on the dark one in it. Debating good... Agreeing bad... by the way, I hope you'er not tired, because I was writing left handed while debating you. My right hand is teaching my son had to read. i'm so happy, i got him into one of the best K-5 schools in Southern California. 800.00 a month but it's worth it. And he's only three going on four. I'm so very proud of him, and glad had the time to home school him for this last year. He's a beautiful wiz. My boy, my baby boy's going to school. I'm so excited.
Re: a comment on Yellow Star by Mr Pig	22-Jul-03/7:58 PM
Thank you, what a lovely thing to say.
Re: a comment on Yellow Star by Mr Pig	22-Jul-03/4:40 PM
I am your friend never forget that. What we did here was communicate our beliefs and that's a damn healthy thing.
Re: Yellow Star by Mr Pig	22-Jul-03/2:45 PM
You would be a crappy lawyer, relax. Let's answer some of your observations shall we. 1) I think I am Horus8, a magic name I chose for special reasons some might unriddle when I'm dead. 2) I did not think your poem was bad. You are a good writer it would be hard for you to write something bad. I said that to the normal poet it would be confusing because of the language, place, and terms you used both metaphorically and up front. Because, it's a muddy surface. You follow what all of our text books taught us perfectly and there's nothing new or different about your observations, and poets are experts at putting a newlight or twist on an old dance, but you didn't. i'm surprised there wasn't a lampshade, or a delousing, or a train car with eyes and hands. Your approach and mood is also very rigid and bias. Good writers use research and undiscovered angles and data to their advantage, you didn't. Sometimes the best way to define pain and suffering immeasurable. Is to contrast it like in that movie "Life is beautiful" or my favourite Lina Wertmuller's "Seven Beautys" where this Italian ladys man gets thrown in a concentration camp, and what ensues is just a perfect example of what my point to you is.
Re: Yellow Star by Mr Pig	22-Jul-03/2:42 PM
7) I do not know everything, but all people are born with the subconscious ability to feel what's right or wrong. Besides knowing everything would suck because i'm already over informed, and my intuition is so keen that I guess right 90% of the time, it ruins movies, relationships and boardgames, but all that comes back to comprehension levels, memory recapitulation, and reading while grounded or incarcerated. Oh, and genetics ZEIG HEIL! lol.
Re: Yellow Star by Mr Pig	22-Jul-03/2:41 PM
5) "Maybe you are a jew because I say you are ! you see its childish to label people isn't it?" What? If a person's jewish and proud of it, and I say "hey there goes a jew" am i labeling them? Hardly, I think that's called stating the obvious. I am not a nazi or a Jew, I do write from their perspectives occasionally to inform people that. A Jew thinks anyone that is not Jewish is an infidel, lesser than, not the choosen people. A Nazi, is just a nihilist in uniform with an agenda that they think is worth dying for, if not worth killing people for, and they also think that they are 'special' and chosen. Now tell me, if that aint a match made in heaven, what is? I find it a waste of time all together to join any group that revolves around seperatism 6)Since you're not a Jew, you are doing just what I do, imagining, except how can you be so good at describing your blooding and such, but toss it on this one? My poem niggerhole has nothing to do with the Black race. Nor does the word nigger look it up. That poem was about Humanists going off (satanists) because I think it's funny what people will buy into to belong. Your comment above is very Hitlerish, by the way, though you are not, because it's psychotic and all over the place. i never said your haikus were not good they're just always syllablicly off, and since your one of the best list favourites. i was wondering if you were going to get good at counting eventually. Communicating about a subject like this is healthy, not taking things too far. And I think about everything I say, especially when 30 million souls died for this horseshit. Am I a god? Yes, we are all the image of god, and capable of infinitely more than finger pointing and slavery or racism or murder.
Re: Yellow Star by Mr Pig	22-Jul-03/2:37 PM
3) I live in A Jewish neighborhood, i am my next door neighbors shabbas goy, I am not jewish, but all of my dearest friend are, and my mentor is David Weismen. My agent Robert Abrahms (jew) my manager didi binder (jew), but was that my point? That I have something against Jews? I don't, but I'm not afraid to tell them what I think either, it doesn't mean I'm a nazi. I believe both sides were wrong, and also that America and some others put these balls in motion with the treaty of Versailles. Aryans are not racists, their name was stolen and used inappropriately, once again they were a peaceful steppe people 5,000 years ago, but when you take a moron and give him an occult book he can't understand? Weird shit can happen. My pathetic defense of History is not pathetic, or a defense, I just enjoy pushing stereotypes until they break. I am taoist by heart and feel that hating any team that your favourite team is playing? Is an unevolving 360 degree trap. We should not blame the German people, or Hitler, or Nazis. We should blame our own inability to maintain a grasp on reality when we win the lottery, or are informed we are dying. But some can't maintain, they snap, go out and kill their coworkers. Or (in the case of winning) spend the money on ridiculous shit until broke or dead for a life of what ifs. It's your classic example of a child seeing how far they can push a parent until no. Hitler was a psychotic just begging for attention and to be told no. If it wasn't the Jews it would have been someone else. When a psychopath is surrounded by enablers, money, fear, and people waiting on every word they utter. They become a time bomb, and when they get that first taste of superstar applause? Look out! 4) I am not conceited, I'm just more aware than your normal Joe, and I wouldn't torture anything, being a survivor of torture myself. To become that would be my worst nightmare. i am debating the fact that your poem doesn't include anyone else but the Jews and the Nazis black and white, if you would of had an italian girl singing to cheer them up before dying, or a gypsy still hustling incarcerated it would have been contrasted and brought humor and hope to an impossible situation, and show your audience that you're not just writing this because everyone will give it tens out of guilt.
Re: a comment on Lord of the Swines by <{Baba^Yaga}>	22-Jul-03/12:45 PM
Sorry that you feel that way, but there are more sides to the story of Nazi Germany pre WWII and post WWII then obviously you're aware of. Both sides of my family fled the nazi war machine, and I've spent a great deal of time researching what took place, of course you are entitled to think the Germans as a people are evil and the Jews are innocent, but I don't believe ten to fifteen year old boys and girls can be held responsible for buying into what the pied piper was saying (hitler) That's how he took control. He told them what they wanted to hear, and the bought it hook line and sinker, since most of their rolemodels (fathers etc) were dead from the first great war, and they time was right for radical change, or revolution because, there were no jobs, unless you were Jewish, in fact the jews wouldn't even sell food in the marketplace to the Germans. I will reiterate, after WWI the Germans were blockaded by treatys, their country was in pieces, they were bankrupt, and starving. Because, to the victor goes the spoils, and since they lost they became almost like foreigners in their own country. The Jews are first class merchants and craftsmen and no dummies. They saw a golden opportunity to immigrate to Germany after the war and buy everything up under the pretense of rebuilding, and make a buck. Which they did by the millions. The Germans, desperate, were happy to have anyone trying to help, since the allies were keeping them in limbo. After a while though Germans started to get a bit bent on the Jews because, they owned everything, and 99% of the time treated infidels less equal than themselves. They wouldn't loan the German farmers money, they foreclosed on everything, and put millions of germans on the street, while they fine dined in furs and created a syndicate that prevented... Any German, from healing and getting back to normal. It was an ugly situation, but i can gurantee you that the german people as a whole were in purgatory for years suffering and trying to regain some sense of themselves. What you're missing is how bad would you need to be suffering to be into Adolphs plan? Did you think they were all just doing great and then hitler came along and they said to themselves " Now here's a guy with charisma?" No, they were desperate, and they made a worse situation into hell.
Re: Yellow Star by Mr Pig	21-Jul-03/5:08 PM
Your understanding of your own history as a Jew Mr. Pig is vague, tainted in fear and sensitivity and onesidedly weak and colorless. All people have a right to live, not just the jews. Your comment above makes you no better than hitler, just another uninformed fanatic and personally a waste of my knowledge and my time. Why don't you go read up on your history a little bit more then get back with me, because, it's worse than your haikus. Your jewish filter, is doing what most people hate jews for, it's taking 'them' (anyone who's not jewish) out of the equation and centering on you and your people. There were more than just jews in those camps. there were italians, greeks, poles, hungarians, russians, gypsys, anyone that didn't fit the nazi's bill... So tell me pig? What color were their stars? Check Mate, mate. Enjoy your trip, you deserve it, god knows your poor people have just gotten a bum deal, I'm sure everyone owes you and yours' a never ending appology. After wwII and every German boy between the ages of ten and twenty was dead, and the jews were dead and the japs were fucking NUKED! NUKED! god and they whine about that alot huh? do you think it was the German people's fault? What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you that fucking Jewish? You make me sick man, just disgusting, you didn't learn a fucking thing from either side.
Re: a comment on Yellow Star by Mr Pig	21-Jul-03/5:06 PM
I am not crystal night, just Jeremi B. Handrinos (notice the dot because there are imposters Baba Bachus and shardik. Also the rich jews left the country long before. Your people are so fucking greedy, they even long knived themselves. The actual Aryan race were a steppe people from 5,000 years ago. Hitler stole the title and concept from them and the Atlantaens from 13,000 years ago. Also no one goes after someone that vehemently without a huge deep rooted hatred. Hitler isn't alive though, because that could never have happened, good defeats evil when the stake of natural balancce is at hand. Also you are just sensitive because you're a jew, get over it, do you think I walk around whining about my hertige rights to whine? Hardly? I am a prostitute, so what, I get over it on a daily basis. I am constintly stereotyped and criticized why? That's what people do when there's not work to do. Idle minds breed hate. Your hatred for them is no different then theirs for you therefore the whole thing is comical. America and English through the money and guidance of the Jews, you mean, because in this country sweety, the Jews keep those bible belted christians bible belted and bush rolling in the stupid cash, soft money contributions. Also the Devil and Hitler? Had nothing in common by a long shot. lol. Really, like what? I must have forgot the devil man war of 94? please, don't make my brain, make your brain explode. the devil is a mythological representation of the uknown and instinctually uncontrolable. Where as hitler was an actual person that lived this century. Also Stalin was worse and killed more people, and Napolean killed more than both of them almost put together. They must be Satan and Lucifers cousins to the devil. And what of the witch hunts, and what of the inquisition aye, Was the pope the devil then?
Re: a comment on Yellow Star by Mr Pig	21-Jul-03/4:36 PM
Yes I am proud of my Origins from Greece, South America, Scotland, but I am mostly German From the Ludeman's and the Laasch's. My father was greek and german, scottish and my mother southamerican indian and German, but beyond all of that I am a human being that beliefs in children not name dropping, and as long as we seperate by tragedy or love, or gender, sexual preference, we are all doomed. The Jews must give back and get off their high horse, or they will once again as with the egyptians, the phillistines, the babalonians, the crusades, the nazis, they will again come into question, and they will again allow their greed to destroy their children, and it's already in full swing. We are building up for a major land and religious war very soon. Whether you are vacationing or not.
Re: waiting in my own way by rockinindividual	21-Jul-03/4:09 PM
Kept my interest, and was well... cute, young and dramatically crushish, maybe if you could send me a shout of you in some cotton briefs back lit by purple candles with a short tight white tank top on nipples pushing through, black rose in your teeth, bach ringing through the air LEEEE DEE DA LA DEEE LEEEE DA LA DA LE DE WEWWWWWWWWWWEWWWWWWWEEEEEE <bow pull> <piano> <boink> Ah, where was I again? cute, it was like hello kitty cute.
Re: a comment on Yellow Star by Mr Pig	21-Jul-03/4:00 PM
A very excellent point, because that's exactly how it works, seriously, it's a shoe in, make a jew plight movie with a decent cast and director tada oscar. not that I didn't love both movies, or many others on the subject, I did. I thought the scene in schindler's list when ralph heines get's done fucking that whore and starts taking aim with his rifle after that long gorgeous piss was inspirational, and when Adrien Brody is trying to open that can of pickles in the piano, riveting. but I am An American humanist theologian hybrid, and I can assure you as long as people feel the way they do about land, money, and god, it will never end, the persecutions will just become more inventive and torturous on a larger level. I know more Indians died than Jews when America stole it from them. More tsutsi, more in hindus and muslims collectively in India during their war, but is it a question of who lost more quicker? Apparently to them but not me, it's mighty pointless and ridiculous to even think in those terms it shows a lack of faith in the ability for people to look ahead and not behind. That's why were doomed to repeat the past, because we walk forward looking backwards running into the same shit over and over. Woman and children and music and literature and nature and animals should be cherished at all costs and never sacraficed under any circumstance not even the possibilty of inner or outer planetary travel. We as a people of the same planet should be working together looking toward the skys, our oceans, our land to repair it and conserve it not refine it and strip it and control and steal it, because if thats the case, when we do start traveling in space and under seas, we'll just do the same thing out there to other planets and aliens and life forms. WE as a people need a mental, physical and spiritual overhaul soon, and bad. Or we are going to kill everything.
Re: Portsmouth belle 1 by Garrett S Sexton	21-Jul-03/3:23 PM
I've always been amazed at all of the imaginitive things that a little boy can do with a proper rubber ducky in the tub.
Re: a comment on Yellow Star by Mr Pig	21-Jul-03/3:08 PM
And fuck september eleventh too. We had that coming, and I personally thought it was a genius attack as far as strategy goes and I despise Muslims and Jews and especially Texans.
Re: a comment on Yellow Star by Mr Pig	21-Jul-03/2:55 PM
Well, for one it's missing a contrast. You might think the Jews died karmicly unjustified but Germany was going through a major depression after world war 1, where the German people were starving, dying, jobless, and watching their country be stolen from them by the Jews, their jobs, their land, their way of life. They were infiltrated by the holy land just like the palestinians are being now. That's why when hitler came to power people sided with him, Mr. Pig, because he had a point. Do you think people would just jump on board any posse or lynch squad unless there was a reason? So why don't you mention what the Jews were doing to the Germans to piss them off so much? Or do you even know? My friend if you are going to expose evil, do it right, do you think the devil was kicked out of heaven because he was entirely wrong and without a good argument? You're wrong. Don't shave evils face and put it in a tux with a devilish mustache pull with no back story. The Jews died horrifically and they should not of had to die like that, but you know what? they should have been a bit more sensitive to the peoples struggle in the country the were in. They crossed the picket line and took peoples jobs, they starved familys out and made the German men feel impudent in a time when most German men were dead from the first war. It's was a horrible tome and the Jews migrated in by the millions and made a serious situation much worse, but of course history books barely mention that. Point being Mr. Pig the German people struggled too we are after all discussing revenge, stupid one sided pent up frustrated revenge. That's when women and children suffer the most for the down right impudencce of men. A man with no job, has no penis and he will lash out at those that took his job and his penis it's very simple mr. pig, very simple.
Re: Fides by BleedingRose	21-Jul-03/12:31 PM
"thinking"
Re: Yellow Star by Mr Pig	21-Jul-03/12:23 PM
Oh yeah, and let's not forget the nepotism? God forbid they should give the job to the more qualified recipient instead of their mentally challenged nephew.
Re: a comment on Yellow Star by Mr Pig	21-Jul-03/12:20 PM
1. entertainment industry jewish controled 2. gem and gold industry jewish controled 3. bank industry jewish 4. textiles jewish 5. land development abroad explain to me how a people as a whole can monopolize the whole fucking planet, extinguish women and children themselves currently (the middle east), have more money than the cathoic church and still look for sympathy? Boring, that's how they pull off the shell trick! Yeah, let's dwell on the past so we can't m,ake night or day out of the present. Bullshit, fucking propaganda jewish bullshit.
Re: Yellow Star by Mr Pig	21-Jul-03/12:09 PM
Well, one thing for sure, you sure know how to cater your pieces to the best list! Next, perhaps, do one on the struggles of the neanderthal before they were exterminated, or, how about the chinese in California? Sure, then, you could occupy every single slot on the top poemranker countdown along with the rest of the poet hacks. ten movies a year come out in the jewish controled movie industry telling this same story a million times better over and over again. Yet, do they, 'the jews' take the time to explore other races struggles? No, not in the least, because they only give a fuck about themselves. Oh, hey lets do another tired movie on world war two? what about the palestinians? What about the genocides in Africa or south America, sweat shops, child labor, but no, another fucking Jewish blee on jewish blow blee blah blue. Whatever. Jews only look after themselves, and I'm fucking sick of it, I'm not saying the nazis were right or that the Jews didn't suffer, but I can name thousands of shit (currentevents) that's just as important to be aware of get lost underneath the much more important plight of the Jews (since they own the media)... But alas I'm sure you can add it to your control of the board mr pig, but personally, I thought it was poorly written, and to an average kid into poetry, it's incomprehendible anyway. I hope it goes to #1. Good day.