zodiac
replying on Utensils of creation by Damien
12 Apr 2005, 5:47 AM
What are you saying? Are you mad because somebody zeroed your poem? Um, that's called opening your poem to evaluation (on a site called poemRANKER) and that user's prerogative.
"there" in the last line should be "their". Don't put commas at the end of every line, but do put it where it belongs. And some of these lines don't make sense or are simply wrong, especially the last two. I think you might have been more interested in the rhyme instead of saying what you meant.
Sorry, whispern_smoke_wisp, but, seriously, what are you talking about then?
Let me try to explain what I was commenting about. For one thing, you SHOULD believe in the article, and it was clear from the beginning you don't (hence all the comments). The article's not the problem. You're a little mistaken about what it's saying, though, and maybe that's why you don't agree with it.
To clarify what it was ACTUALLY saying: Dogs are not whores or parasites. They evolved loving attitudes toward humans (and were in part domesticated because they had some loving-type behaviors to begin with) so humans would provide them with food and shelter. Despite that they have pretty shallow reasons for loving humans, they DO ACTUALLY love humans, like babies do, and for the same reasons, but unlike young women who marry rich elderlies or real wholes do. Is that clear? At least in terms of what the article's talking about (and whether or not you agree with it)?
Sorry again. I'm trying not to be annoying.
Just say what you fell and understand when you judge you are destroying nothing from me
I wanted more...another 5 lines, please. 9
As a memeber of this club, I do appologize for zodiac. He is quite annoying. However, you seem to be dodging the poem you have written by saying that you did not mean it. That's quite alright in most cases, but here I think you really did think that science had tried to squelsh some of the love between dog and human. If you did not think that, pray tell what you were thinking.
okay, i dont like to be rude, but im in a bad mood and you are being an idiot, okay,
when did i say that i believed the article mentioned in this poem ..... ?!?!? NEVER........and by the way....its a poem NOT an autobiography, did you actually read it, or what, okay, why would i SHAKE MY HEAD to something i agreed with
geez
please try to not be this annoying
Thank you, Dr. Laura
Itâs meant to be hurried. The entire poem is direct, non-ironic, and marches toward this simple ending. Itâs an isolated case of racial prejudice and happened just as stated.
I think you missed the point of this 100%.
What if I told you that humans evolved to love their parents so that, like parasites, they could get food and shelter?
That's absolutely true, by the way.
I am openminded about the past. I don't think the past should have anything to do with the present situation - which, as I see it, is pretty much:
Black people still don't have freedom or equality of pay, opportunity, education, or power across the board. Sure, my greatgreatgreatgrandparents, had they been rich enough, would have enslaved yours, but also my grandparents are racist, belittle minorities, and deny them opportunities. My parents belittle minorities and deny them opportunities. And tons of people in my generation, myself probably no exception, continue the problem by often-unnoticeable actions.
What I was trying to point out is that Dovina's thinking (in the poem) that the problem's solved now, was solved years ago, and she had nothing to do with it is simply nuts. Who needs to go back even a generation to find crimes/persecution against black people? And at the very least, I'd say Dovina has very few black friends in the outside world.
Besides, what a preposterous suggestion - that one side's history of (and continuing) institutionalized oppression can be "balanced out" or "made up for" by black people whupping white ass for a while! If an intelligent black person's ever seriously considered it, I'm a stuck pig.
And besides, black people have been ignoring white people in their verse, culture, etc, from the beginning. Only a Eurocentrist in the extreme would even imagine she had a place in black verse to be belittled. (For Dovina: Disagree? Consider checking out Gullah culture, Hoodoo culture, Slave culture, Jack Tales, the Harlem Renaissance, jazz, and hip-hop, to name a very, very few.)
In short, I don't think you're going to give up your friendship with Dovina because of this poem, because I think you see, as I do, that Dovina doesn't really mean to be offensive; she just doesn't know very well what she's saying. That's all I'm trying to point out to her. Really, I've got no beef with Dovina except that she doesn't express herself very well. All things considered, her heart's pretty close to the right place.
1) Only a Californian would think that. Maybe you live in Santa Barbara County (black population: 2%)?
How did the bad black people you've encountered give rise to this poem? I'm genuinely curious.
I like the subject matter, but I would re-do the ending, it seems a bit hurried.d
kansas? innocent? BAH.
would have sounded better if "true" were replaced with "truth" although the meaning remains the same.
"I'm the grain of sand
Locked in the car
Your the sun burning me
I gotta get out and run for you"
you're in love with someone and you can feel it, you are basically going insane with these feelings and loving/hating every minute of it.
1) The freedom, authority, and power many Black people have recieved in recent years.
2) No
3) Yes
4) No
5) No
6) Yes, see below
Iâm sorry to hear that.
Almost all of the Black people I have encountered have treated me with respect. A few exceptions gave rise to this poem.
Those people donât know me very well either.