Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	31-Jan-06/8:26 PM
Yes, and let me correct that. He rode into town to collect his wages, on a wild donkey, Ishmael’s seed, wool on the beast and he alike, and while in Rome, he did as the Romans, Thus washing his hands of any sin. He rode by the trees on the water’s bank and the chaff the reapers let fly. The trees bore fruit, but the chaff blew away, and our concealed man’s sin crouched at his door. Though he was sweating, he tasted no salt. Covered in wool, he felt no shield. He saw a sparrow fall, and felt he was watched, found a treasure in a field, and stopped to dig it up. He felt a seed fall upon him and smartly brushed it away. He collected his wages alright when his white mount fell in the mud.
Re: Les Imagistes by Nicholas Jones	god'swife 71.103.98.44	31-Jan-06/7:43 PM
I wish i could understand this philosophy. Are you saying that in their quest for purity( a poem without any unproductive lines), the imagists are taking the narrow view? If they would not be so precise and allow themselves to poetically wander to the point of actually opposing some statement within the poem, that the poem would be better for it? As for the this poem I think it's quite good. Though it weakens in the third and fourth stanzas. This whole thing about having an idea and creating the poem to fit the idea seems to be the opposite of what the imagists were attempting. I thought the imagists illustrated their experiences allowing meaning to emerge out of the images. Now I've confused myself. It's ironic that lines I love in this poem could be considered imagist. 'But still' seems inappropriate since in the first stanza you use '...noise of the urban morning...' The birds, footsteps and most especially the traffic are urban noises, so the but still looks like your going to reflect on the comparative peace and quiet. The duck image is brilliant. did you invent it?
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	31-Jan-06/5:10 PM
Yes, ironically.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	31-Jan-06/4:48 PM
I’m glad you understand it that way. Everyone does not, and that, too, is alright. I chose an expository method (telling) over story or metaphor (showing) and don’t find that’s always bad.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	31-Jan-06/4:47 PM
ecargo, or anyone else, is not likely to disagree that something in the Bible means something to me. He/she would, I believe, think that I should not feel that way about it, and might even say so. (If this discussion were happening on his/her poem, it would have all been deleted by now.) Someday, I will say what something in the Bible means to me, I’m sure of it, in some future poem or comment. But my purpose in this poem is simply to show that imagery in the Bible is very common, and to imply that someone thought it was a good way of communicating.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	ALChemy 24.74.100.11	31-Jan-06/4:40 PM
Do you paint? More importantly, do you paint simply?
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	ALChemy 24.74.100.11	31-Jan-06/4:36 PM
"My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun."-Shakespeare It's often in the little imperfections that we find the most unique beauty. Dyslexics aren't dim. Many are genuises. We think with images more than with language so we tend to be more artistic too. But I think you meant something like ironically dim.
Re: a comment on Penny Loafer Blues by ALChemy	ALChemy 24.74.100.11	31-Jan-06/4:04 PM
I see. I was trying to describe the images that form while you just lie there eyes closed staring into the inside of your eyelids, how light causes a faint orange-red glow and how like with clouds you start to make images out of them. In this case the face of my future dream wife. Good point though. I've certainly got some editing to do.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	LilMsLadyPoet 207.69.137.39	31-Jan-06/4:03 PM
Dovina, you said" I disagree, because my interpretations would only anger you. It's better to let it stand uninterpreted, unstoried into my life in particular." How beautiful is THAT?! anyway...an artist simply paints, then lets others gaze and interpret. (and appreciate.) Persoanlly, I like it just the way it is, original! If you had said what it means to you, and painted your self into it, then it would have been like everything else out there. I understand why you put the last stanza, and what it means. (Do not all writers do this?!)But... that is not the point of this piece.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	ALChemy 24.74.100.11	31-Jan-06/3:56 PM
We would be assholes to disagree with you if you said, "This passage of The Bible means this to me." of course it does. It's when someone starts saying to us "this is what this passage means" that we start to argue differently. That's the point of imagery. To put you in the mindset of the artist. Being moved emotionally by the artwork is just a bonus. When a composer writes a march he inspires you to march not lifts your soul. When you see a McDonalds commercial you're inspired to eat greasy food not experiencing a life changing moment. So do your thing girl and I'll try to be less of a smartass in the future.
Re: a comment on Penny Loafer Blues by ALChemy	LilMsLadyPoet 207.69.137.39	31-Jan-06/3:51 PM
"Run to your dream wife who’s face as light glows through closed lids like stained glass, illuminating blood capillaries the color of fresh lava and if you concentrate appears into your frontal lobe as vapor apparition. She is your soul mate, your starlet projected against a screen of inner skull.” That type of wording (the language I refered to)is not in sync with the rest of it. The rest has a homey, very-real, real-life grit to it.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	31-Jan-06/3:46 PM
You have a way of summarizing that’s uncanny sometimes, and dyslexically dim at others. Sorry to sound blunt, but I mean it as compliment. It’s a foolish alchemist who makes unalloyed gold. Without the corruption of inferior mettle, gold is soft and unsubstantial. I don’t evaluate metals the way a jeweler with microscope glasses does. I rely on shine and feel, and the feel of this is right. It’s also right here: http://poemranker.com/comment-recent.jsp?showall=false&skip=6 27-Jan-06/3:16 AM
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	ALChemy 24.74.100.11	31-Jan-06/3:38 PM
That's kinda what I've always meant about finding the spirit of God in the Bible(through images and emotional effects) and not just reading the words but the spirit of the words. That's the only place I think you might find the true word of God.
Re: a comment on Penny Loafer Blues by ALChemy	ALChemy 24.74.100.11	31-Jan-06/3:31 PM
A man tries to take the path of life his father took. He dicovers that that's not quite the path for him. So he sets off to make his own path but admits he's gotten used to his father's. What language would fit the piece? I used two.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	31-Jan-06/3:16 PM
I disagree, because my interpretations would only anger you. It's better to let it stand uninterpreted, unstoried into my life in particular.
Re: a comment on Untouchable by rahson_s	ALChemy 24.74.100.11	31-Jan-06/3:14 PM
And you were compelled to write about this why?
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	31-Jan-06/3:06 PM
Yeah, the crown of thorns analogy is good. My purpose was rebuttal to michael_d’s recent rant about contradictions in the Bible, and to show appreciation for the metaphor and image usage throughout that interesting book. It’s so full of stories that any I write would likely be mere rewordings or take-offs.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	ecargo 167.219.88.140	31-Jan-06/3:01 PM
Lots to be appreciative of. I think AlChemy nailed it--if you made it more personal to you, it'd be more personal to us.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	31-Jan-06/2:58 PM
To signal appreciation. I made it no more beautiful than it was, and probably less.
Re: a comment on The Book of Images by Dovina	Dovina 69.175.32.104	31-Jan-06/2:57 PM
I don't mean to degrade the man any more than Daniel did.