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Love, Fair (Free verse) by MacFrantic
A stifled beauty rests Catoring sunless isolation A mere Capulet in time Pulsing Radiating A statue of apprehension So long awaiting day

Up the ladder: Jerry and Jack
Down the ladder: a fat man on the dock

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Arithmetic Mean: 5.0
Weighted score: 5.0
Overall Rank: 7559
Posted: April 25, 2004 7:01 PM PDT; Last modified: April 27, 2004 6:29 AM PDT
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[5] deleted user @ 68.66.196.168 | 26-Apr-04/7:31 AM | Reply
Nice image, but what does it mean? I suppose that doesn't really matter because I can imagine some things it might mean.
[7] richa @ 81.178.217.164 > deleted user | 27-Apr-04/7:53 AM | Reply
where is this image you speak of?
[n/a] MacFrantic @ 204.98.23.96 | 26-Apr-04/11:52 AM | Reply
An ode to the sleeping beauty, per se.
[7] richa @ 81.178.217.164 > MacFrantic | 27-Apr-04/6:49 AM | Reply
I believe it is important to learn what words and phrases mean before using them. Discuss.
[5] deleted user @ 68.66.196.168 | 27-Apr-04/10:00 AM | Reply
Capulet is is from Romeo and Juliet I think. How is Sleeping Beauty a statue of apprehension? I wish you hadn't said it was Sleeping Beauty.
[n/a] MacFrantic @ 204.98.23.102 > deleted user | 27-Apr-04/11:47 AM | Reply
!First off, *statue of apprehension* means *unmoving object filled with fearful anticipation*, not *understanding*, or *capture* as apprehension is also the definition of these things! Secondly, without getting ahead of myself, you must understand that I am referring to the sleeping beauty as a symbol, NOT as a half-assed gimmick brought on by the Disney corporation or, as you have come to know her, a shallow caricature of a deeper Grimm's Fairytale character. If I had said *This is an ode to the beauty which will never be rescued* would the critics maybe read it over again instead of spending their time with their heads up their asses. Or would that be asking too much of the people?
By the way, YES Capulet is Juliet's last name. *Damn
[5] zodiac @ 152.30.60.103 > MacFrantic | 27-Apr-04/11:49 AM | Reply
"*statue of apprehension* means *unmoving object filled with fearful anticipation*," --

Nope.
[5] zodiac @ 152.30.60.103 > zodiac | 27-Apr-04/11:52 AM | Reply
Actually, yes, in the sense that a 'statue of mashed potatoes' means an 'unmoving object filled with [and made of] mashed potatoes', but I somehow doubt that's what you meant.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 131.111.212.215 > zodiac | 27-Apr-04/11:52 AM | Reply
In poetry, things can mean anything you want them to mean! When will you learn that the normal rules of writing just don't apply?
[7] Shuushin @ 207.5.211.177 > deleted user | 28-Apr-04/5:35 AM | Reply
Capulet is also a word meaning swelling caused from bruising...
[6] <{Baba^Yaga}> @ 66.229.187.185 | 27-Apr-04/11:44 AM | Reply
Crust.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 163.1.146.225 > <{Baba^Yaga}> | 27-Apr-04/12:59 PM | Reply
lol
[n/a] MacFrantic @ 204.98.23.102 | 27-Apr-04/11:53 AM | Reply
So Z, what is your definition of *statue of apprehension*?
[5] zodiac @ 152.30.60.103 > MacFrantic | 27-Apr-04/11:54 AM | Reply
A statue in the shape of apprehension.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 131.111.212.215 > zodiac | 27-Apr-04/12:37 PM | Reply
Consider the following:

1. "A statue of his"
2. "The Statue of Liberty"
3. "The statues of ancient Greece"
4. "A statue of monumental proportions"

None of those fit with your closed-minded, male chauvinistic definition of "a statue of X" as "a statue in the shape of X". Why don't you get a life buddy!!1
[5] zodiac @ 152.30.60.103 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 27-Apr-04/12:48 PM | Reply
1. & 3. are the same thing. Neither of them work for apprehension, denoting as they do possession or origin.
2. The abstraction 'Liberty' has long been personified, as have 'Brittania' (or Britain), 'Spring', and 'Hope', among many others. In France, where the Statue of Liberty comes from, Liberty has been represented as a woman for hundreds of years. The Statue of Liberty, then, is a statue of the woman Liberty, who represents the quality liberty. There is no widely-known personification (or anythingfication, really) of apprehension.
4. Doesn't work either.

Perhaps I would have better said 'A statue of apprehension' just doesn't sound good to me. It doesn't immediately connote anything for me. But I find I've finished my Blake paper with no time to spare and must off to the Professorium to deliver it while wrapped gently around a throbbing cock, after which I will go somewhere sunny and sleep until tomorrow. This is as much of a 'life' as I desire right now.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 131.111.212.215 > zodiac | 27-Apr-04/2:58 PM | Reply
1. 1 and 3 aren't the same thing. You can't have "a sculpture in the shape of his", but you can have "a sculpture in the shape of Ancient Greece".

2. This blabberwhig about 'Liberty' won't do at all. Saying that the Statue of Liberty is in the shape of Liberty doesn't somehow get around the fact that it's a statue of liberty. The statue of Liberty isn't concerned with accurately portraying a particular personification of liberty, but with portraying liberty. It could have succeeded in the former but failed in the latter, e.g. by portraying Liberty forced to gag on an enormous bronze glans.

Similarly, a statue of apprehension needn't concern itself with portraying a particular personification of apprehension ('Apprehension'); e'en if it did, that wouldn't be a guarantee that it was a statue of apprehension. It could be in any shape, as long as what it was in the shape of was taken to be a reification of, or otherwise represented, apprehension.
[5] zodiac @ 152.18.33.195 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 27-Apr-04/4:18 PM | Reply
1. You can have "a statue in the shape of his".
2. Can you tell me what a "statue of apprehension" looks like? No. Perhaps something like Liberty fearing choking on the Fonz's enormous glans, but not like Sleeping Beauty. Which makes both MacFan's explanation and yours crap.

For once I've been blathering about something which I actually believe, which is that it's a silly crap thing to say "a statue of apprehension." MacFan, I tend to like your posts, probably a lot more than -=Dark_Angel=- does, but I think this one's pretty bad. Okay?

End Transmission.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 131.111.212.215 > zodiac | 27-Apr-04/4:37 PM | Reply
1. Not without some sort of implicit context.

2. Are you denying that there could be such a thing as a statue of apprehension, or that it would look like Sleeping Beauty? To deny the former is obviously buncombe. The fact that you can't easily think of what it might look like doesn't mean it couldn't exist.

But to deny the second is equally buncombe. It might once have seemed plausible to deny that a statue of liberty could like a woman holding a torch, but obviously it could. Is your imagination so withered that you actually need to see a statue in the shape of Sleeping Beauty that represents apprehension before you can accept there could be such a thing?
[n/a] MacFrantic @ 198.81.26.49 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 27-Apr-04/5:17 PM | Reply
D.A, I am so pleased by your sensibility and understanding, it's stupifying. The fact that this line has created so much controversy because some people are too narrow minded to realize that the answer is not tangible, is what poetry is really about. Weeding out the fish-eyed ignorance is key.
[5] zodiac @ 152.18.33.197 > MacFrantic | 27-Apr-04/5:30 PM | Reply
Ask him if the use of "A statue of apprehension" in this poem is guff.
[7] richa @ 81.178.217.164 > MacFrantic | 27-Apr-04/12:21 PM | Reply
A nude personifying apprehension. On a plinth.
[n/a] DreamerSupreme @ 204.31.162.8 | 27-Apr-04/4:26 PM | Reply
Perhaps you could use "sign" instead of statue.. I believe that would work.. but this piece doesn't really tickle my fancy at all. It does tempt me to write my own version of it including giant mushrooms and drunken horny gnomes, but then again, it doesn't irritate me enough to motivate my quill to create such a mockery.
[8] cat @ 64.168.52.224 | 4-Aug-04/1:50 AM | Reply
Goddamn you for not sucking, I want to mock someone this morning.

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