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Breakfast (Free verse) by Dhanesh M Kumar Hip hip ⦠hipâ¦.hurai,
Hip hip ⦠hipâ¦.hurai
Powell, Rice and their company
sings the song with seamless joy;
Throwing apart the countless skulls
of 2 years to 80 years ,
They are rejoiced by the smell of oil.
Miles afar their boss is
busy ,
Eating the breakfast of many
Otherâs bone..
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Posted: March 7, 2006 7:41 PM PST; Last modified: March 7, 2006 7:41 PM PSTWeighted score: 5.0596013 Overall Rank: 6787 Comments:
Show, don't tell. Don't preach. Nobody needs to be told America is evil. We already know we are. We admire the level of evil Iraq has reached. We can only dream of the days when we can cut clits off women and heads off peace corp workers. Do you really think all this bitching is going to sway Americans? More importantly, do you hate black people? I noticed you only mentioned the name of negros. Really the more I read this the more I realize you're terrifically racist.
Gasp! Colin Powell's black?
Didn't the black delegation trade Powell and Rice for Eminem?
Haha! Two of the funniest comments I've read in ages!
Well, in all fairness, Dave Chappelle is behind my comment.
You know Dhanesh M Kumar is from India so Dhanesh probably hates the British more than America and it's black people.
The least you could do is quote a legitimate source like The Daily Show w/Jon Stewart or The Cobert Report.
You can't handle the truthiness!
Oh, okay, just for you: Jon Stewart: What about the most famous example of a seeming miscue by this White House. Bush in the flight suit on the aircraft carrier and then in front of the banner saying âMISSION ACCOMPLISHEDâ Steven Colbert: Jon Jon Jon Jon Jon, Thatâs just more of your western, linear, left to right, letter in consecutive order, syllable based, banner reading. The true message was there you just had to read the letters in anagram form as it was intended âCMON I LIED. SO SCAMPISHâ You wanted it spelled out for you, Jon, there it is.
Incredible. Do you actually work at Comedy Central or is this good old fashion hard worked googling. Either way I tip my hat to you.
Hey, do you think we've scared our little delicious pastry sounding named friend from responding to us?
If I worked for Comedy Central, I'd probably have spelled Stephen Colbert's name right the first time. ;)
Will have to agree with the rest. Last stanza needs fixing. I ain't a great fan of politics and war... but I think, in my opinion, you have painted quite a picture. Bones for breakfast!
The war started with the question of "weapons of mass destruction". Have they found anything that was a threat to U.S or U.K?
I am of the opinion that they could have eliminated or atleast silenced Sadam without a war. In that case the oil wells could not have been controlled.It's here that question of oil arises. 187 view(s)
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'Seamless joy?'
I don't know the statistics, but I'm prepared to bet that the number of people killed in conflict with the troops is fewer (or will very soon be fewer) than the number of people killed by the militants' bombs, which, I should add, are generally planted to cause maximum carnage whereas the intentions of the troops, especially the British troops, is to cause as little damage as possible and actually save lives. Yes! I know it's an astonishing concept to grasp, but our boys actually travelled thousands of miles from home, subjected themselves to all kinds of abuse from the people they were trying to protect, and selflessly risk their own lives on a daily basis because they genuinely want to make life better for the Iraqis.
As for the oil - well of course it's a priority. It's the main source of income for the country. Iraq needs those oilfields to be protected more than the Americans do. But oil being the reason for war? Rubbish. I used to think that it was, then I realised how stupid a concept it was. What would be easier - ignoring the UN, amassing troops and sending them to probable death while capturing a dangerous war criminal, then spending huge amounts of time and effort trying to rebuild the country that the oil is in, all the while risking a second Vietnam...or would it be easier to ignore the UN and just go and drill the Arctic Circle, thus avoiding all that 'unjust war' bullshit?
None of us like war, none of us want to see our own people get killed, and most of us despise the way our troops are treated. You take a very simplistic view of us, of the Americans in particular, and I'm afraid it's wrong. Most of the people on this site are testament to that.
And so I ask you; would you rather Saddam Hussein and the Taliban been left controlling their respective countries?
(PS as I remember, the Americans were attacked first, correct me if I'm wildly wrong)
Iraq did not attack us.
As for body counts, it's almost impossible to get stats on civilian casualties, whether from "coalition" action or insurgent bombs--which says something in itself about how this war is being conducted ("truth never damages a cause that is just"). It's difficult enough to get stats on our own dead/wounded. Also, while oil was not the only factor, do you really think it was not a factor at all?
You hit almost every neocon/apologist talking point in your post (linking Iraq and 9-11; opposition to the war = shitting on the troops; we're there to "make life better for the Iraqis"; "would Iraq be better off with Saddam Hussein still in power?" (currently, for the Iraqis, the answer is probably yes by all practical measures).
I honestly don't want to reargue old circular arguments, particularly on this board, but I do find the hostility toward any poems that have to do with the war a little disconcerting. So he has an opinion. So do you. So do I.
I agree with your comments on the execution of the poem, anyway.
Why I'm defending the Americans I don't know, you should be good enough at doing that yourselves. But I get really angry about the way the British troops are treated, despite the shitty situation they've found themselves in.
In my defence, I'm not hostile to the poem *because* it's about Iraq. I'm hostile to the view put forward in it though. Similarly, if I read a poem saying 'kill the Jews' I'd write a similarly derogatory comment, not because the poem's about antisemitism, but because I disagree entirely with its theme.
Anyway, this wasn't really meant to lead to an argument. Peace?
I liked your 'memo'! It put an amused smile on my face, although it took several efforts to get the link to work...probably my awful net connection than kaolin, but that didn't stop me swearing at all and sundry...
Even our own ecargo betrayed the short-termism that simmers beneath the surface of their pious verbiage. Iraqis would be better off under Saddam? If he could see past his own nose, he'd realise that Saddam wasn't going to be there forever, that the country was heading for implosion, and that wherever that took us, it was going to be bloody. Of course there'd be the obligatory influx of foreign extremists, the inter-tribal skulduggery, and, yes, civilian casualties. All of this without the presence of a coalition force to do what they can to rebuild the country. Criticise the neo-cons for being too idealistic, or too ambitious, or too wreckless -- it takes years, not months to build a working democracy -- but if you ask me, it's the only long term solution to the problem, and it's a welcome change from propping up dictatorships for a quick and easy ride.
I'm not joking.
DA, you know I adore you (I do), and I agree with you on a surprising number of points, but I think you're the one being idealistic (and neocon idealism I don't buy). How surprising. You're probably right that eventually Iraq was going to melt down into a bloody mess, but who's to say it would have been as bloody and messy as what we've precipitated? You seem to be among those who think that it's pointless to keep on about how we got there in the first place. I disagree. I'd like to see some accountability. I doubt I ever will, though. (American Idol is on, after all, and news has a *responsibility* to cover, endlessly, whichever pretty blond girl has gone missing lately.)
I'm not particularly "anti-war" (in the knee-jerk sense), and, I hope, not "pious" about the opinions I hold--but I do have strong feelings about the way this war was sold, rubber stamped, and has been conducted ever since. I admit, I'm conflicted about our mideast misadventure. Now that we're there, I agree with you that we need to see it through, whatever it takes. I don't think that our "wreckless" (awesomely ironic typo) neocon cabal--the ones who made such gross errors in executing their little plan at every stage of this affair--are the ones to achieve those long-term goals, though.
Mostly, though, I'm practical and endlessly cynical about politics, and I don't think we (and I mean the U.S. citizenry and our cowardly, ass-covering politicians and our counterparts among the so-called "coalition") have the long-term will or wherewithal to achieve the kind of long-term rebuilding and "democracy building" that you're talking about. I hope I'm wrong.
As for the limp "ending," I think it was more of a sidestep. I only have so much energy.
(Her nose, by the way.)
Bush wouldn't even go along with Rumsfeld's plan until he promised he'd take all the blame if it went wrong. Bush is just another talking head like all the previous presidents since Nixon, although Reagan had some brilliant moments scaring the hell out of Gorbachev.
It's a judgement call. But think carefully about the environment in a failed rogue state. Is it the sort of place in which ordinary people can pull down their pants and form a representative government? Or does power inevitably end up in the hands of the most ruthless militant in the region? To what extent is the insurgency fuelled (as opposed to hampered) by the coalition's presence?
I would simply say judge the insurgency by what the insurgency does. Its victims have been overwhelmingly Iraqi. Its tactics have consisted in finding imaginative new ways to target civilians. It has absolutely no political voice, other than a discordant braying for a return to god-knows-what brand of medievalism. It is beyond reason, and beyond motive. In my opinion, without the backing of a coalition to rebuild Iraq, the whole country would look like Fallujah.
"Mostly, though, I'm practical and endlessly cynical about politics"
The presumption is that the government is in a perpetual process of aggrandising its power, and that the citizens should be wary of that. But that presumption, taken to a point, blinds YOU, if you end up believing only what you want to believe, and simply refuse to listen to what people in power are saying because it's a priori a pack of lies. Cynicism becomes a mantra. I'm not saying you're like that; I'm just saying you're an extremely naughty little girl who should be more like me: so cynical you're cynical about cynicism.
I should mention, I gave my wife the Two Prisoners problem yesterday and she solved it in 5 minutes, math and all. Sometimes she simply astonishes me. She said it's because she knew, with you guys, the problem was going to end sitting in a cell, flipping a coin by yourself.
No need to defend us because from the looks of it we're too busy defending you and everybody else. Besides we're not doing anything any other powerful country hasn't already done before.
Aren't I enlightened!
I just think you're too damn smart to have to resort to trickery to teach someone something.
Of course, he's going to surface soon and tell me with great indignation that his username really is copyrighted (2002, -=Dark_Angel=- enterprises Ltd.) isn't he?
*Braces self for impact*
What all this has to do with the debate over who's soldiers in Iraq are going through the most crap is beyond me. It doesn't matter anyway because if you'd read 2 comments down you would have seen that I was just making a point about irony.
Hey I just discovered you're from Greece, SWEET! In America we always say "Greece is the word" 'cause it's got groove, it's got meaning.
I hope Blue's not mad I really think he/she's an outstanding poet and a very smart person. I'm just having one of those smartass days.