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The Way (Free verse) by Dovina
* I seek to be a believer. WHAT A TREMENDOUS WASTE OF ENERGY. Suppose I stop seeking. THEN YOU ARE A BELIEVER. *

Down the ladder: Friend Ship

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Arithmetic Mean: 5.125
Weighted score: 5.0336175
Overall Rank: 7230
Posted: January 6, 2005 5:10 PM PST; Last modified: January 6, 2005 5:10 PM PST
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[8] Dan garcia-Black @ 67.122.13.57 | 6-Jan-05/7:12 PM | Reply
Is this kinda like, "I found it in the last place I would a thought to look for it?" I think it's kinda clever in very unbelievable way.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > Dan garcia-Black | 6-Jan-05/7:28 PM | Reply
It’s more like not finding it or even looking for it, but waking up to it.
[9] jroday @ 204.215.33.176 > Dovina | 8-Jan-05/3:00 AM | Reply
You know I have felt like that many many times in my life.
Which way should I go.
[8] Shuushin @ 64.222.171.185 | 6-Jan-05/8:22 PM | Reply
ouch - an anon one. Interesting thought. Is this a "do, or do not - there is no try" (Yoda) kinda thing?

I like it - maybe we need an "aphorism" category.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > Shuushin | 6-Jan-05/8:37 PM | Reply

I used to hear kids say they’re not sure whether they believe and catch them figuring they might go to hell because they didn’t believe hard enough. “Help my unbelief” kinda thinking.

Was Yoda Buddhist?
[8] Shuushin @ 64.222.171.185 > Dovina | 6-Jan-05/8:40 PM | Reply
LoL - Yoda is Jedi. A powerful Jedi is he, yes.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.11.60 > Shuushin | 8-Jan-05/6:16 AM | Reply
You seem to have no idea about Yoda's usual syntax. "A powerful Jedi is he" is grammatically workable; therefore, Yoda would have said "A powerful Jedi he is" or, even better, "he powerful a is Jedi."

-No cookie-
[8] Shuushin @ 64.223.164.53 > zodiac | 8-Jan-05/7:24 AM | Reply
Yoda says all kinds of grammatically correct things, like "Ah, father. Powerful Jedi was he, powerful Jedi." and "it is much easier to spend time writing comments to poems than actual poems" - stuff like that.

-no cookie jar-
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > Shuushin | 10-Jan-05/3:48 AM | Reply
Which of the following best describes your opinion of Yoda:

1) So fucking smart he doesn't need to properly grammatize he's got a lightsaber and he can jump around and shit.

2) Probably from some race congenitally ill-disposed toward English grammar, but otherwise pretty smart cookies all of them.

3) Maybe colossally stupid, but in that way that usually makes people think he's wiser than them, like the Maharishi or something.

For another thing, I know very well how Yoda talks.

For another thing, "you only write comments you don't write poems so I'm better than you because I can barely hold onto my load for the two-day limit without whemying all over" is simply the least-funny jape of last year. And shame on you for getting Dovina doing it too. After all the time I've spent working with her.

-bum-
[8] Shuushin @ 147.154.235.53 > zodiac | 10-Jan-05/10:49 AM | Reply
It would be one thing if the comments were even a shade of what artists like -=DA=- and H8 did (and both of them even knock an occasional poem out of the park). Your comments are like some kind of random, tangentaly related gibberish.

This bothers you because you know it to be true. Search your feelings zodiac.

Like your poetry - an immitation of the idea of the thing; a synthesis. We drew straws - I had to tell you.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.11.30 > Shuushin | 10-Jan-05/11:39 PM | Reply
You're just mad because even after six months' absence, my poemvote:poem ratio still kicks yours's ass.

By the way, excellent spelling on "tangentially" or "tangentally". Ace distinction between random and tangentially-related, too! By the way, your bum, and kissing -=D_A=-,P.I.'s and Jeremi's ass isn't going to keep you out of the "pee closet" for another six months.

And PS-Like you'd fucking know you fucking numbwad. I'm the fucking on-topic commenter here. And shamefully so, as you'd know if you weren't using the Poemranker Instruction Manual only to prop yourself up to the level of your desk.

Can you explain to me what "an immitation [sic] of the idea of the thing" means? I bet not.

Like the rest of your comments: fluff, unfunny, and I don't even get the standard 'Shuushin Ten' on one of my poems for bothering with it.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.11.60 > Dovina | 8-Jan-05/6:27 AM | Reply
You didn't hear kids saying that, you heard Pascal.

Are you a Buddhist?
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.11.60 > zodiac | 8-Jan-05/6:29 AM | Reply
Incidentally, this poem doesn't really hold together.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.11.60 > zodiac | 8-Jan-05/6:30 AM | Reply
Crap. All of these comments are meant for Dovina. Now Shuushin will respond and she'll never know.
[8] Shuushin @ 64.223.164.53 > zodiac | 8-Jan-05/7:14 AM | Reply
WELL, I responded - but I think she will too, since I didn't get the comment emailed to me; she prolly did.
[n/a] Dovina @ 69.175.6.101 > zodiac | 8-Jan-05/8:13 AM | Reply

If you know for certain that I didn't hear kids worrying about going to hell and that I heard it from Pascal, then you are delusional, or my strict religious upbringing was all an illusion. Whatever.

I think the poem holds together on an emotional level for some who have struggled with religious belief and what it means. I am not strongly Buddhist or Taoist, but appreciate some of their philosophies.

Someday I’ll figure out how you can be so confident in knowing what I think and believe.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.14.17 > Dovina | 10-Jan-05/3:32 AM | Reply
Q: Can you think of anything which cannot be described as "holding together on an emotional level"?

Q2: Bunk. I know that's not a question.

Q3: I have an advanced degree in knowing what any kind of writer thinks and believes, which I obtained at an Accredited Poetry School. The question is, how can YOU be so confident in knowing what you think and believe?
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > zodiac | 16-Jan-05/5:00 AM | Reply
"I have an advanced degree in knowing what any kind of writer thinks and believes, which I obtained at an Accredited Poetry School."

Must you punctuate all your soilings with that stamp of excellence? Such reverent qualifications put us all to shame!

As it happens, I can think of a poeme that wouldn't hold together on an emotional level: a poeme about Jesu and His burrowing exploits. It is a well documented, if little known fact that Jesu spent 90% of His life underground, only coming up to the surface to feed, gather acorns, watch ER, and get crucified. But to write a poeme about it would be tantamount to grand larceny. Hold together on an emotional level? Fuck off. It doesn't even come close. Miracles. Parables. Disciples. Burrows. Trying to understand what Jesu was thinking when He made His elaborate warrens would be like trying to understand gooseberries. Empathy is impossible, and the reader is left wallowing in a lagoon of "What the fucks" and "Do you mind if I don'ts." But FACTUALLY? FACTUALLY it stands up. FACTUALLY it holds its own. And in a world where people are constantly seeking to cut nature up, organise it into concepts, and mull over the resulting cocktail of self-ascribed significance, we often forget that. I've already forgotten it.
[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.11.30 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 17-Jan-05/10:28 PM | Reply
On the morning camel ride here, I tried to think of an accurate test for "this poem holds together on an emotional level". The best I can come up with is something like "this poem arouses in its intended audience one or more of the following: a) any feeling at all, b) the feeling that the author intended, c) a feeling of "working", if such a thing is possible - a kind of satisfied postwhemy feeling of completion, maybe.

Of course, if you ask Dovina she's just going to say the only audience she ever intended is herself, so of course it works. I'd say you have to intend more than half of your audience, the way you'd say a joke "works" if a majority of the crowd laughs. I'd also say choice c) is the best measure, but I could be totally asstalking.

I also tried to invent another test for 'knowing what Dovina thinks and believes'. Advanced Degree from an Accredited School is all I've got.

Regarding your Jesus example: I find there are any number of ways it could work on an emotional level. I imagine Osama bin Laden, for one, moved to tears by the tale of another warren-bound recluse, forever ostracised for prefering a flowing and somewhat varminty beard over a clean shave or even muttonchops. You have to admit, this is likely the emotion which Jesu meant to impart.

Of course, the real emotional impact of Jesu's burrowing is not the burrowing itself, but that he ultimately flew out of his den (cf. "On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices, popcorn and DVDs they had prepared and went to the burrow. They found the stone rolled away, but when they entered, they did not find the Lord Jesus skulking around in his pyjamas (as was his custom on Sundays and most other days). While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in rather flashy capes stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for Jesus in his hole? He is not here; he has flown away!")

I imagine this registers pretty well with anybody who's ever been pigpiled by their older brothers and then wormed their way out into sweet sweet assy-smelling sunlight.
[9] misheila @ 216.148.246.92 | 15-Jan-05/8:56 PM | Reply
I feel this very strongly.I'm 26years old and find myself at times still questioning my beliefs not just in religion though.Sooner or later it will come to me.I left a reply to you under a comment you left on my poem.I enjoy what I've read of yours so far.
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