Re: Privacy by Dovina	15-Dec-05/10:22 PM
Oh God...this is mortifying...and good! Man...Great...goes right to the stomach...justas it should. Very good!
Re: Blah Blah by Blindpoetry	15-Dec-05/10:19 PM
Now that you got that out of your system, got anything else?
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	15-Dec-05/10:13 PM
But...I thought we were on a quotefest...seems you listed quite a few in a list...oh, do we have to only quote people who were rich, famous, and well-known? Was there a problem, since mine was sourceless? Does that make it any less valid, especially considering the context in which it was quoted? Sorry, no one told me the rules. I thought you'd appreciate a 'reply quote' since you use them so often.
Re: a comment on You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet	15-Dec-05/10:06 PM
sums up MY thought, rather...even.
Re: a comment on You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet	15-Dec-05/10:04 PM
Remember necessity is the mother of all inventions- well, that sums MY the thought.
Re: a comment on You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet	15-Dec-05/9:59 PM
Might I submit a new form of social responsibilty a new way of approaching the care of those who need a hand up as opposed to a hand out? Let the man who values the one of need support those efforts of those he values. Let each man choose those he would support, what efforts he would fund, what cause he would hear. Let those that 'have' decide to help those who 'have not'. Do not demand that I help him, and I will not demand that you don't. Help him if it pleases you if you see his worth, I will not stop you, for what you own is yours alone. I will help those who are of worth to me. You will help those whom you value. Together we will lift those that will rise, and those not fit will fall. I will feed children and supply them with books; you will help build bridges and reroute bubbling brooks. Together we'll build a world of value for value, worth upon worth.
Re: a comment on You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet	15-Dec-05/9:48 PM
Zodiac, I replied there in that string. And I would venture to say it is worth a read.
Re: a comment on You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet	15-Dec-05/9:46 PM
Half-baked is better than just yeast sitting there on the shelf with all its glory of potentiality slowly dying, next to the flour.
Re: a comment on You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet	15-Dec-05/9:43 PM
Good questions. 1>Homemaker: intellegent but not educated for employment/divorce/100 a month child support for 4 girls/back to school full-time & pregnant with 5th/ welfare& educational grants/Masters earned/worked/started own business.(WE two eldest girls did work, outside the home and inside to raise kids.) 2>"Those countries that do not use their intelligence, that do not allow the freedom from terror, that create an environment in which people must live in survivalist mode, they are what stunt intelligence’s creative environment. If I might die tomorrow, why should I extend the energy to create anything today? For what?! I will not have tomorrow to improve upon! Freedom to act, and not being acted upon in a hostile environment is necessary for a man to be creative within his intelligence." (I was speaking about war-torn or famine-ravaged countries where absolute survivalist mode must take over, and where the terror and horrors of reality stunt the intellectual and creative capacity of its citizens. I do not think this is in the same context as the general fear "cower(ing) under the possibility that (they) might die tomorrow.", that I presume you to mean of all mankind's awareness of death, in general. Free of terror, horror, and immediate danger man will use his intellegence to invent and innovate, according to his needs, motivated by his drive for more efficiency in his work and less labor having to be expended on specific tasks that must be performed, in order to have more time to pursue other goals and tasks. I submit that a man must have a right to his property and the reward of his labor, if he is to remain motivated to invent, innovate, and produce. It is through the trial of 'doing' that a man finds inefficiencies and then seeks to find better ways of doing the things he does. Thus, discomfort and some hardship or failure is the motivating factor behind one putting their intellegence to work in the form of invention and innovation. It is through finding what does not work that one looks for new ways of doing things.
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	15-Dec-05/9:05 PM
I wonder who you are asking. And since you asked, I wonder how old you are. And I wonder why you don't want to process the conversation on its merits without wanting to pigeon-hole people into little boxes of age, and thus supposed perspective. I am old enough to know better, and young enough to still chance it. I am an ancient soul as old as time, with generations of children behind me; But I am child forever standing in wonderment at the miracle of beauty and life that stretches on into eternity and infinity. I am all that there is and yet I am nothing compared to what is. I have walked millions of miles and talked zillions of whiles and yet I've just begun to walk. How old are you?
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	15-Dec-05/8:56 PM
Again, I would refer you to Ayn Rand...she says it as eloquently as I could vere suppose to. I do not think it benefits anyone to pay off thugs. I do not believe in giving in to extortion and corruption, for to do so only encourages more. i do not believe in violence unless acted violently upon. In order to TAKE what they want they would have to take up arms. In that case, it is clearly wrong. Why give them sanction and a (false?) sense of power by GIVING it to them? Will it stop them from coming back to take more? No. They will be back, asking for more. (ie: Korea, etc) I say my future should not be in the hands of anyone but me. I say that to be subject to anyone who holds a gun to your head is against man's best interest. I say if they want it, then come and TAKE it, if they dare, and let them suffer the consequences if they choose that route. America, and myself, personally, should never pay extortionists and thugs who seek to take what does not belong to them. Your statement about handouts is based on the assumption that a handout would prevent violence. Such an assumption is wrong. Eventually, if you give and give, you run out of what they want, or you refuse out of necessity, or they come to take all you have and are...then what? Violence and defending yourself would be necessary. Paying off someone to leave you unmolested never works...thugs always come back for more. Handouts only appease for a short while. Paying extortionists prevent nothing; it only prolongs the inevitable. You use the term 'worthless guy'; I ask, Why would you want to sustain and support someone who is worthless and a thug? Give a man a fish and you feed him for today, and he shows up to be fed again tomorrow, resenting you because he needs you. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime, and he goes away your friend. "Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas."
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	15-Dec-05/8:32 PM
I am sure if the source had had money then his statement would have been attributed to him, because then he would have had the money to patent the saying, thus securing his right to claim said intelligence...with royalty money forthcoming to ensure his continued wealth, and more intelligence to bestow upon his prodigy.
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	15-Dec-05/8:27 PM
Read AlChemy's response, I ditto that. As to Ayn Rand...I don't think that is shaky at all, she was a highly intellegent woman that experienced socialism, and democracy, and had a very clear understanding of all the shades between the two. Even if one does not agree with her philosophy in its entirety, one can not (should not)dismiss the things to be learned within her stories, thoughts, and discussions. That said,your comment of "Comfort is the greatest promoter of innovation." seems to be another assertion you state as fact, when in fact, it is opinion -yours.(You state:"Comfort is..." not "I believe comfort promotes...") I would venture to share my opinion: DIScomfort, (being UNcomfortable with the limits of one's available methods,) combined with intellegence, is the greatest promoter of invention and innovation. ps. Not seeing the point of Ayn Rand? That's shaky. Very shaky.
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	15-Dec-05/8:13 PM
I know, Alchemy, but as I have a feeling you know, American democracy has moved far from it's original idealistic beginings. We move closer to socialism, growing in apathy and contempt for the corruption that eats away at its wholesome core, and watch as freedoms are whittled away chip by chip. When money buys power and presidents, when people buy into the belief that intellegence belongs to the wealthy, and when people no longer feel they have control of their own destinies, then Democracy, as powerful as we know it capable of being, will fail to be what it should be. So much of what people say, in order to explain Democracy, actually implies or states a mandate that one man owes another a hand out in order to raise the whole (collective). Democracy was founded on the thought that every man should have the absolute right to his own property, earned through his own effort and labor. If a man is ordered to give away (mandated by law) any of his property to another man, because the other man does not have it, then the man that succeeds is punished for succeeding, and the man that fails is rewarded for his failure. It is a brute government of thugs that takes from a man what is rightfully his and gives it to a man that has not worked for it. I do understand the sense of community that is spoken of and how that helps build democracy. But when that sense of community is spoken of in words that imply an absolute responsibilty for your neighbor, and language that mandates each man must think of and live in such a way that supports the individuals and collective of his community, first and before himself -then it smacks of going down a slippery road, to me.
Re: a comment on Bri's Room (not done) by Sunshine Conkey	15-Dec-05/7:41 PM
"Those of you who think you know it all are very annoying to those of us who do."> Some Smart Ass (Who was undoubtedly not in power, nor rich, but who was highly intellegent and deserved to be!)
Re: a comment on You Have It Backwards by LilMsLadyPoet	14-Dec-05/11:47 AM
Okay, I promise to write it in some semblence of a poetry format, next time. Perhaps we should peruse the under-utilized chat function built in to this site. And, you are right, about Zodiac making people itch to debate his statements and quotes!
Re: a comment on Indian Song by ALChemy	13-Dec-05/10:42 AM
Oh, Poemranker has a large Arab readership? I didn't know. I suppose I have offended alot of them with my erotic poetry, comments, and generally dominant female attitude. (Of course, I know that they all will want to attack me at every turn for such things, while they secretly read every dirty little seduction I write while trying to abtain my IM name or email, so they can send me dirty picture of themselves. I am being unfair, I know....
Re: a comment on War (edit) by zodiac	13-Dec-05/10:36 AM
I don't know of those places, other than Charlotte, so I could never let on. I am near Raleigh.
Re: a comment on War (edit) by zodiac	13-Dec-05/10:30 AM
Not me...I usually choose to play inside a little box labeled 'fantasy'. Oh, well, yeah, I guess that too is a reflection of the world I live in, or choose not to, as the case may be :)
Re: a comment on War (edit) by zodiac	13-Dec-05/10:23 AM
I AM in NC...so is this type of exchange isolated to NC? I do love it here...for the weather, beach to the East, mountains to the West, things growing nearly year 'round...