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Poem For Times Such As These (Free verse) by Nicholas Jones
The cold war ended. The west was convinced they had won. History, according to the arrogant reactionary Fukuyama, was over. Stability. Ten years with no conflict. Tell that to the people of Chechnya, Or the Bosnian Muslims, or the Albanian Kosovans, and they'd laugh. Or shoot you. But the point still stands. The west thought they had won. Final victory. But now we're shit scared of anthrax, dirty bombs and WMDs (theirs, not ours). We remember the nineties. We all mourn their passing. Then things were better. The IRA stopped blowing things up. (Tell that to the people of Manchester. Or Omagh). Peace processes. The Good Friday Agreement and the Oslo Accord. The history of human society is one of enlightenment, away from savagery Towards freedom, or so said the right-wing theorists who knew nothing. Yet at that time, the signs were there, but everyone was too arrogant to notice. Clinton responded to the attacks on American Embassies by sending a missile To destroy a pharmaceutical factory. Nice one, Bill, kill some civilians. But they were only Africans. Unimportant. And Saddam was left in power Because to end his regime would have destabilised the region And damaged the global oil industry. That war, like the one that is to come, Had nothing to do with human rights, or else Iraq and Turkey Would have been forced to cede territory to a newly-created Kurdistan, And the Palestinian Authority would have had power over its own country. The west armed anyone who was not a communist. That included Fascists, Like Pinochet, and countless others. All the signs existed in the nineties. Discontent across the world. Al-Qaeda attacked the WTC. No-one was interested then. But were surprised when they had another go with a more ingenious plan. Arrogance is the worst thing for a superpower. See Vietnam and Afghanistan, American and Soviet misadventures. There was no peace for ten years, Just western ignorance. People kept on dying. Civil war in Africa killed millions. Liberal Democracy in itself is not the highest thing we can aspire to. And in a few months, an illegal war, fought for economic reasons, Will kill thousands. Iraq will be bombed and people will die. There will be the inevitable mistakes. Like friendly fire in the Gulf, The convoy of dangerous tractors in Kosvo, the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, Or the Afghan wedding feast. And people will read this, and say, that's not a poem. That's just an imbecilic essay on global affairs. But things have to be said. There are many types of poetry. This is one of them. Cope with it.

Up the ladder: Everything & Nothing
Down the ladder: REALITY

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Arithmetic Mean: 4.3333335
Weighted score: 4.820706
Overall Rank: 10904
Posted: December 4, 2002 4:04 AM PST; Last modified: December 4, 2002 4:04 AM PST
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[n/a] INTRANSIT @ 207.206.222.123 | 4-Dec-02/4:37 AM | Reply
ok then, how about this: thanks foor fucking up my only form of escapism! or, hows about we all ship over to iraq and put ourselves in the line of fire for a "good cause" instead of writing poetry that accomplishes NOTHING!!
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 137.44.1.200 > INTRANSIT | 4-Dec-02/4:59 AM | Reply
But it has accomplished something. You've read it, and it pissed you off. That's something, not much, but something. Maybe, on some deep subconscious level, it might slightly affect your thinking.
[n/a] deleted user @ 212.219.142.161 | 4-Dec-02/5:27 AM | Reply
But it's not really poetry and that IS the overiding point I'm afraid, whether you like it or not.
It's an interesting if quite opinionated essay. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but please don't try to be clever Jonesy, there's a good boy.
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 137.44.1.200 > deleted user | 4-Dec-02/5:32 AM | Reply
But is poetry, that's the whole point. If I'd written it in prose, it would entirely different. Trust me. I'd currently trying to complete a 15,000 word on poetic responses the valleys of South Wales. It is not the same as a poem.
[n/a] deleted user @ 212.219.142.161 > Nicholas Jones | 4-Dec-02/5:37 AM | Reply
And neither is this, otherwise any old piece of crap could be considered poetic. I don't pretend to be an expert on the factors that make up defined poetry, but this just ain't any of em.sorry
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 137.44.1.200 > deleted user | 4-Dec-02/5:42 AM | Reply
I don't mind you saying it's rubbish, if that's what you think, fine. But why deny it's a poem? When free verse became popular, people denied that was poetry. It has rhythm, although it's not pronounced. It has line breaks that I have chosen to use. I's like to think there's a bit of imagery in there, and perhaps a slightly ironic use of media discourse, refashioned to create a radical message. I simply chose to write about politics rather than how happy or sad I am today. It's poetry. Deal with it.
[n/a] ecargo @ 208.249.92.99 | 4-Dec-02/6:31 AM | Reply
I wouldn't call this imbecilic at all (and not just because I share many of your opinions here), but I would call it an essay, not a poem. Free verse was revolutionary because it broke the bonds of rigid structure, but it still, generally speaking, relied on condensed language chosen as much for sound and imagery as for the message or experience it conveyed. I don't get that here. Perhaps the rhythm is too subtle for me and others to pick up here.
[4] poetandknowit @ 67.40.59.18 > ecargo | 6-Dec-02/8:36 AM | Reply
I would not call free verse revolutionary. It was a natural progression from the narrative structure and when it finally came about as a more comfortable mode of poetry the world of art was ensconced in so many wild changes the it slipped right in. I'd say free verse opened up more specifics in content, which allowed subjects to be openly dealt with and easier for the common reader to understand, and this might have had a revolutionary effect as bringing poetry to the peasant, but again the nature of the form was already coming around.
[4] poetandknowit @ 65.101.211.38 | 4-Dec-02/7:15 AM | Reply
I think you have thirty poems here, not one. Tackling it all at once is a bit like a survey course in contemporary history. And that is what the poem feels like. If you take individual concerns from the poem and give them personal anecdotes you might achieve what you are looking for: to be revolutionary. I think all these issues are important to rip into, but if you want to affect change maybe you should not overwhelm the reader.
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 137.44.1.200 > poetandknowit | 6-Dec-02/3:01 AM | Reply
Maybe I want to overwhelm the reader. Sounds like fun to me.
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 137.44.1.200 > Nicholas Jones | 6-Dec-02/3:44 AM | Reply
Has nobody noticed the poetic devices such as short, incomplete sentences?
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 137.44.1.200 > Nicholas Jones | 9-Dec-02/2:09 AM | Reply
Does nobody even like the line 'Peace processes. The Good Friday Agreement and the Oslo Accord'? Well, I do. You see, I could have put it the other way round, but then the rhythm wouldn't have worked.
[4] poetandknowit @ 67.40.59.18 > Nicholas Jones | 6-Dec-02/8:38 AM | Reply
Well if that was the intent then congratulations you succeed, but I am still not sure that is a good thing.
[8] Sasha @ 69.138.240.116 | 16-Sep-04/10:00 AM | Reply
Ydy'r gerdd hyn yn gael ei dylanwadu gan "Rhyfel" Hedd Wyn?

Gwae fi fy myw mewn oes mor ddreng
A Duw ar drai ar orwel pell;
O'i ôl mae dyn, yn deyrn a gwreng,
Yn codi ei awdurdod hell.

Pan deimlodd fyned ymaith Dduw
Cyfododd gledd i ladd ei frawd;
Mae swn yr ymladd ar ein clyw,
A'i gysgod ar fythynnod tlawd.

Mae'r hen delynau genid gynt
Ynghrog ar gangau'r helyg draw,
A gwaed y bechgyn lond y gwynt,
A'u gwaed yn gymysg efo'r glaw

http://www.poemranker.com/poem-details.jsp?id=107941
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 81.135.7.65 > Sasha | 16-Sep-04/11:46 AM | Reply
I've never read much Hedd Wyn. If anything, the title of my poem could refer to Glyn Jones' novel 'Times Like These'. What I have read is in translation; my grasp of Welsh isn't strong enough (yet, I am still learning) to understand poetry, or, rather, I feel I can understand the words only on a very literal level without picking up the cultural baggage they carry.

Gillian Clarke renders the final verse of 'Rhyfel' as

Like old songs they have left behind,
We have hanged our harps on the trees again.
The blood of boys is on the wind,
Their blood is mingled with the rain.

Which I suppose is a fairly good description of what appears to be the current state of the world.
[8] Sasha @ 69.138.240.116 > Nicholas Jones | 16-Sep-04/1:42 PM | Reply
The last two lines are identical to my translation (which I provided the link to in my last comment here,) which I suppose is a good thing. As it happens, I'm not a native welsh speaeker either or even Welsh (or British,) I don't even know what my first language is actually. I just like Welsh and the culture that goes along with it. Only really spent a week in Wales.
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