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Regime Change (Free verse) by Nicholas Jones
The planes struck in September And the retaliation did not come Untilwhen? November, I think it was. During that time, I was fond of saying 'This is how Europe felt In the weeks between the assasination of Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in July And the German invasion of Belgium in August' When I heard the news, I called to my flatmate Look, they're bombing Kabul. And we watched the TV and saw the Laser guided ordnance hitting, of course, Only legitimate military targets, And I, for one, wanted to cry. I was scared; I do not know If this was the right response But it was how I felt. 'Fuck', was the only thing Either of us could say, and we were ashamed Because we knew it was not adequate To resort to obscenity so quickly In the case of a war that could last years. During the campaign, everybody was full of shit, People who had only the name a week before Pretended they had always known Where the Tora Bora caves were to be found Of course, back then the papers All said it would be another Vietnam, A long and bitter conflict, And I was surprised At the speed of developments. But I still think there is only one acceptable reaction, To seeing planes belonging to your country, Ordered by your leader, Bombing the shit out of civilians In a third world country, And that response is one of deep and severe shame, Whether or not you think the action is justified.

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Posted: September 16, 2002 4:50 AM PDT; Last modified: September 16, 2002 4:52 AM PDT
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[0] deleted user @ 167.206.181.179 | 16-Sep-02/7:17 AM | Reply
damn Nick, this shit is really ruining my monday morning. mostly because i don't know what the hell you're talking about. sure there was some collateral damage, but it's war, old chum. who was in the WTC when that came down, soldiers? after watching the 9/11 shit last week, i think we haven't killed nearly enough of them. take your shame and stick it up your ass.
[2] <~> @ 167.206.181.179 | 16-Sep-02/8:44 AM | Reply
so, then, i'm sure that's a response you are well used to. maybe not planes for you nicholas, but imperialism does leave a nasty taste in one's mouth, doesn't it? i love it when the pot calls the kettle black.
[n/a] ==Doylum @ 213.122.112.174 > <~> | 16-Sep-02/8:55 AM | Reply
who's the pot and who's the kettle?
[0] deleted user @ 167.206.181.179 > ==Doylum | 16-Sep-02/8:57 AM | Reply
pot=england, kettle=US, i'm guessing
[n/a] ==Doylum @ 213.122.70.161 > deleted user | 16-Sep-02/9:22 AM | Reply
shit i didn't know old nick spoke for a whole nation thats what was confusing me
[5] poetandknowit @ 67.40.59.54 > ==Doylum | 16-Sep-02/9:28 AM | Reply
nick is a scared little boy. he has been hanging with christof and they are lovers, not fighters.
[n/a] Christof @ 195.172.133.226 > poetandknowit | 20-Sep-02/1:54 AM | Reply
Hang on old boy, Mr Jones doesn't speak for me or for England. Anyway, he's Welsh. Very different. However, I'm not sure if, as someone suggested before, Britain actually is responsible for the Afghanistan problem. One thing Britain can't be blamed for is the US arming and training rebels (who despised America all along) against the Soviet Union, keeping the seat nice and warm for the Taliban and then being surprised when they decided to use those same weapons against them. Make a pact with the devil and you will pay for it with your soul. Yes the English Empire made a lot of mistakes in the past, but some Americans should think more carefully before laying responsibility for all the world's problems at our door, which always seems to happen when the word 'Imperialism' comes up - because you plainly haven't learnt from our example and are making the same mistakes. But this time, with enough weaponry to destroy the planet. So yes, let's all think a bit more carefully before invading other countries without international support, because unilateral action by US and UK will be disastrous.

This Press Conference is now over. Good day gentlemen.
[2] <~> @ 167.206.181.179 > ==Doylum | 16-Sep-02/8:57 AM | Reply
wingy-d, i'm the pot to your kettle. don't hate me because i'm black.
[n/a] ==Doylum @ 213.122.70.161 > <~> | 16-Sep-02/9:21 AM | Reply
i don't hate you, i think your all wonderful except for birthmark, who really must take a shower, only then could i even conceive of loving him.
[5] poetandknowit @ 67.40.59.54 > ==Doylum | 16-Sep-02/9:26 AM | Reply
I showerd last Tuesday. That will have to do. If you can not love me for who I am then you must find another.
[5] poetandknowit @ 67.40.59.54 | 16-Sep-02/9:24 AM | Reply
I actually like this one better than the other. You personalize it a bit more so when you blab your foolishness it doesn't sound so trite. And you know how many times the media throws the "it is another Vietnam" lingo around? I think Russia has had one and is having yet another. And of course, the US, everything they do globally with bombs is considered another "hush word." Have you considered writing your leader and telling him to wipe Bush's poop off his nose. Because that is what I would do. But really are we not just mopping up the problems the brits caused in the first place. And oh, War is Hell.
[n/a] Christof @ 195.172.133.226 | 20-Sep-02/1:59 AM | Reply
Nicholas I hope you didn't mind me using your poem as a springboard for a lecture. sorry!
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 137.44.1.200 > Christof | 20-Sep-02/4:17 AM | Reply
I love the fact that I wrote a political poem and it brought forth torrents of xenophobia and even a little homophobia - not quite sure where that came from. Have any of you people heard of irony? Or the dramatic monologue - the narrator of a poem is not always the author. By the way, more people were killed by US bombing than died on September 11. And 9,000 people die of AIDS each day, the majority in sub-Saharan Africa. Pup that in your pipe and smoke it.
[5] poetandknowit @ 65.101.211.11 > Nicholas Jones | 20-Sep-02/8:39 AM | Reply
My favorite part of this website (next to people trying to label poetry) is when people write a relatively weak poem in regards to 9/11 that is harshly received (and yes personal attacks were made due to the subject matter I suppose, but I stuck to the poem) and then make a come back like, "well, okay you Americans lost so many people, but 5 billion people die each day, so there." What kind of logic is in that? Why must you bandy peoples lives? It is quite odd, but you are not the first to do it. It seems to be a natural reaction coming from people.
[n/a] Christof @ 195.172.133.226 > poetandknowit | 23-Sep-02/1:11 AM | Reply
P&K, but you're the one who started blaming Britain. You did kind of bring the response upon yourself.
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 137.44.1.200 > poetandknowit | 23-Sep-02/1:39 AM | Reply
The poem may or may not have been any good, but the response to it proved very interesting. I think I'll write a poem about that instead. Or the German election result - a triumph for the anti-american left!
[n/a] Christof @ 195.172.133.226 | 25-Sep-02/3:44 AM | Reply
Did you hear hear Mr Blair banging on about 'regime change' on the news last night?
[2] Tintagiles @ 198.164.238.92 | 22-Oct-02/11:24 AM | Reply
The sentiments are admirable, but the saying of them needs work.
[4] Joshua_Tree @ 68.230.105.101 | 19-Jun-05/3:28 PM | Reply
Another vietnam? Another Afganistan would be more acurate, but that doesn't strike the same chord.
[n/a] Nicholas Jones @ 81.159.71.148 > Joshua_Tree | 20-Jun-05/1:28 AM | Reply
This is about the post-September 11th attack on Afghanistan (before the world realised Iraq was next on the list) so it can't be another Afghanistan, unless you're referring to the Soviet invasion in the 1980s (which is actually a very neat and ironic parallel). And the poem doesn't say it's a new Vietnam, it only says that that is what the media said, which is true. In fact this dates from the period after the invasion when it looked like things might actually work out. I like to think this poem still has some resonance three years later, but you'll have to think harder about the historical context.
[10] zodiac @ 213.186.191.33 > Nicholas Jones | 20-Jun-05/5:48 AM | Reply
re "I like to think this poem still has some resonance three years later, but you'll have to think harder about the historical context."

Do you think this makes it a more, or less, successful poem?
[7] Sisterwolf @ 207.69.137.41 | 28-Dec-05/12:23 PM | Reply
Your absolutes rock. This would be better as an essay, in my opinion. Needs a cleanup of punctuation and spelling, and you need a space between until and when.
I think you have a good piece to trim and mold into
a really nice essay.
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