Poemranker [Poem: Plato] [by not_a_philosopher] Fri Apr 26 10:18:31 PDT 2024

[5] Dovina @ 12.72.14.79 | 28-Mar-05/7:13 AM | Reply

Plato has some very worthwhile things to say. Try reading him when you're older.

[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 82.39.21.223 > Dovina | 28-Mar-05/1:01 PM | Reply

Such as?

[5] Dovina @ 12.72.8.157 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 28-Mar-05/4:36 PM | Reply

"God is not responsible for all things, but for good things only. Causes for evil must be sought elsewhere. To present God as the author of evil is suicidal, ruinous, impious." - The Republic

[n/a] edpeterson @ 68.79.6.28 > Dovina | 29-Mar-05/9:48 PM | Reply

Is God responsible for things one man thinks good and another evil?

[5] Dovina @ 12.72.7.50 > edpeterson | 30-Mar-05/10:42 AM | Reply

If a man thinks God is responsible for evil, then that man's opinion of God is suicidal, ruinous.

[n/a] edpeterson @ 68.79.6.28 > Dovina | 30-Mar-05/4:14 PM | Reply

You didn't answer the question.

[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.19.178 > edpeterson | 31-Mar-05/5:33 AM | Reply

She never does. Dovina's real answer is most likely "Things other people believe are evil but I don't believe are evil are not actually evil. Ergo: trump." But it's unlikely she's even thought it out that far, and as things stand, she'll probably continue to "dodge" even the most simply put of questions and consider herself "wittier" and "more than usually astounding" for it.

[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.19.178 > edpeterson | 31-Mar-05/5:34 AM | Reply

PS-Dovina, if you've got a problem with me answering your questions for you, why don't you fucking try doing it for once?

[5] Dovina @ 12.72.4.17 > edpeterson | 31-Mar-05/7:06 AM | Reply

I had a long, thoughtful answer written, hit "Submet" and it was gone because I was not logged in. It doesn't matter, just respond to what you think said.

[5] Dovina @ 12.72.4.17 > Dovina | 31-Mar-05/7:08 AM | Reply

Hint: My answer contained the word "yes."

[n/a] richa @ 81.178.191.105 > Dovina | 31-Mar-05/10:40 AM | Reply

Then your comment would have been needless. You got it right first time. If you are to put God at the centre of your universe then to say he causes evil things is ruinous and impious. This is true of every individual who puts God at the centre of their universe.

[5] Dovina @ 12.72.4.90 > richa | 31-Mar-05/10:59 AM | Reply

That's what Plato is saying because he believs in God, and I agree with him from that perspective. Edpeterson is asking whether God is responsible for an act when different people view it as good and evil. It is one of the reasons I think God must be responsible for both good and evil.

[n/a] richa @ 81.178.191.105 > Dovina | 31-Mar-05/11:19 AM | Reply

I think you need to be more open-minded.

[5] Dovina @ 12.72.5.223 > richa | 31-Mar-05/3:39 PM | Reply

The fact that you claim to know one of my needs shows how closed minded you are.

[n/a] not_a_philosopher @ 64.12.116.195 > edpeterson | 30-Mar-05/3:06 PM | Reply

maybe there is no evil only suffering and maybe suffering is based on attachment and an emphasis on wordly pleasures

this could be the best possible world
all evil could be for good

and there may be no God anyway

[n/a] not_a_philosopher @ 64.12.116.195 > Dovina | 30-Mar-05/3:00 PM | Reply

i love plato and his allegory on the cave never ceases to amaze me and make me wonder about the nature of our world and about the nature of knowledge and his dialouge on socrates trial is amazing -

if perhaps you could remember in the future that the view of a poem is not necessarily the view of the poet it would be appreciated

[n/a] zodiac @ 212.118.19.178 > not_a_philosopher | 31-Mar-05/5:36 AM | Reply

Too bad. You'd have probably come off cleverer if you'd been the speaker of the poem instead of yourself, but not much.

not_a_philosopher: if perhaps you could remember that the view of a comment is not necessarily the etc etc etc

zodiac: Trump.

[n/a] richa @ 81.178.191.105 > not_a_philosopher | 31-Mar-05/10:43 AM | Reply

But the voice must be yours because

your are the only

one who talks like this.

..)

[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 | 1-Apr-05/8:43 AM | Reply

PAPAL ALERT: The Pope's condition can only be described as "unbelievably appalling" :(

[n/a] richa @ 81.178.145.183 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 1-Apr-05/10:34 AM | Reply

April Fool :)

[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 > richa | 1-Apr-05/11:41 AM | Reply

Is the April Fool the fact that it wasn't really an April Fool? -10-

[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.153.196.50 | 1-Apr-05/11:47 AM | Reply

PAPAL ALERT: The Pope's health has worsened to a point that is Beyond Thunderdome. The only things keeping him alive are Vatican denial, and a complex system of ropes, pulleys, and two-way mirrors. We just pray they can keep the white dumpling ticking for a few more hours, lest he suffer the ignobility of death on April Fool's Day :(