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Searching (Free verse) by dougsoderstrom
Searching for the answer "to an unasked question," Is like searching at night, In a dark room, For a black cat that is not there!

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Posted: July 11, 2004 11:19 AM PDT; Last modified: July 11, 2004 11:19 AM PDT
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[6] Dovina @ 24.52.157.176 | 11-Jul-04/11:40 AM | Reply
True, but why do you search for an answer unsought?
[7] ?-Dave_Mysterious-? @ 80.42.102.165 > Dovina | 11-Jul-04/1:34 PM | Reply
I find your comments intolerably smug.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > ?-Dave_Mysterious-? | 13-Jul-04/12:15 PM | Reply
Dear Dave:

Thank you.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > Dovina | 11-Jul-04/2:48 PM | Reply
The key is to notice that..... "to an unasked question"..... has quotes around it which referes to the liklihood that many people, especially in the arena of religion, simply want "answers" without having had the courage or the integrity to ask honest questions in the first place. In other words, so many people have little interest in wanting to move "just a little closer to the truth," rather they seem more interested in finding simplified answers that give them a superficial sense of security, however, at the expense of desensitizing them from having to deal with "the tough questions" of life.

For example, here's the answer to "an unasked question:" Accept Jesus Christ as your own personal savior and you will be assured of going to Heaven. However, these are the questions that were as of yet "unasked:" What does it mean "to accept Jesus as one's savior?" What does it mean to "be saved?" Is it "a matter "of faith," or "works?" Could it (salvation) be a matter "of who, one in reality, actually is?".... which goes far beyond the issue of faith vs. works, and looks at the real question of who a human being at the deepest level of his or her being has chosen (consciously or unconsciously) to be.

These are some of "the unasked questions" that many people avoid asking when looking for their "simple cookbook" answers.
[6] Dovina @ 24.52.157.176 > dougsoderstrom | 11-Jul-04/2:54 PM | Reply
At the risk of being called worse than "smug" couldn't the same be said for any religious position or even a political position. Is it any more than a way of bringing up the thing you want to talk about?
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > Dovina | 11-Jul-04/3:28 PM | Reply
Well, in my own mind....there is a basic ontological difference, (dealing with religion, politics, or whatever else) between wanting to achieve the psychological security that inevitably comes from "cheap answers to stupid and silly questions" as compared with "an honest search for The Truth" which inherently carries with it the realization that the 'real questions of life' have no answers..... therefore leaving one with an existential anxiety that can only be filled with the integrity of knowing that one has involved one's self in an honest search for an obviously incomprehensible Truth.
[6] Dovina @ 24.52.157.176 > dougsoderstrom | 11-Jul-04/3:37 PM | Reply
Yes, the difference between seeking psychological security and facing reality. It's best to seek truth even if it hurts, or as you say, even if it is incomprensible. I like to think that some truth is actually out there to be found, or am I self deluded?
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 217.42.186.254 > Dovina | 11-Jul-04/4:20 PM | Reply
"It's best to seek truth even if it hurts"

To say "It is best to do X" can only make sense if it means "In order to achieve some goal Y, it is best to do X". Your answer "It is best to seek truth even if it hurts" cannot be verified unless you also answer the question: "What am I trying to achieve?" This is an "unasked question", and therefore, by the very standards you are trying to promote, you are a dunce of the first class.
[6] Dovina @ 24.52.157.176 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Jul-04/4:23 PM | Reply
"standards you are trying to promote"

No standards! No promotions! Truth is the answer. Switch or stick, it's all 0.5 probability.
[n/a] zodiac @ 217.23.37.85 > Dovina | 13-Jul-04/3:24 AM | Reply
What a dim response. In fact, your return to poemranker may best be described as "a period of general dimming, followed by changeless brown."
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > zodiac | 13-Jul-04/12:18 PM | Reply
Dear Zodiac:

Thank you.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Jul-04/4:40 PM | Reply
Dear Dark Angel:

You are wrong.... Dark Angel, since the real question is: "Who set you up as the judge of others; Who is it that decided that you have the right to call others such as myself "a dunce of the first class?"

Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.

I have the right to my thoughts, and you to yours, but please do not set yourself up as the allmighty judge of others.... allright, Dark Angel!

If you cannot be at least halfway civil, then just please stay away.

I will talk with you if you will are willing to conduct yourself in a decent and rational manner allright?
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 217.42.186.254 > dougsoderstrom | 11-Jul-04/5:26 PM | Reply
In what sense have I set myself up as the allmighty judge of others? By expressing my judgment? Is that not what you have just done? Or was it by expressing a judgment that did not meet with your approval?
[6] Dovina @ 24.52.157.176 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Jul-04/6:22 PM | Reply
In his effort to defend me, he simply wished to point out that I am a dunce of the second class, and that nobody is almighty enough to raise my rank any higher.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 217.42.186.254 > Dovina | 12-Jul-04/3:51 PM | Reply
Of course I cannot raise your dunce rank. Any more than dougsoderstrom can lower it. How dare he accuse me of dunce inflation? How dare he!
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 12-Jul-04/8:19 AM | Reply
Well, Dark Angel, I guess you must be right and I am wrong. You are, no doubt, a very fine man, and I am perhaps "a dunce of the first class."

Love, Doug
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.86.113.159 > dougsoderstrom | 13-Jul-04/7:23 AM | Reply
I think it basically sums up your mind that you think the above was the wittiest and wisest possible reply. You have failed, Sir.
[8] Shuushin @ 207.5.211.177 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 11-Jul-04/6:55 PM | Reply
My turn: "faith is not wanting to know the truth"
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > Dovina | 11-Jul-04/4:31 PM | Reply
Of course, some truth can be found..... such as 2+2=4, etc. But when dealing with the really complex realities of life such as:
---- Does God exist?
---- Who is God?
---- Is there a life after death, and, if so, what are the
alternatives and of what do they consist.... Heaven, Hell,
Purgatory, Reincarnation, nothing, etc.?
---- Who is more likely to go to Heaven or to Hell: One who
lived an absolutely horrible life, but accepted Jesus
Christ during the last day of his life OR one who has lived
a life of empathic concern for others, a life of dedication
to the poorest of the poor, but, for whatever reason, never
made "a conscious" attempt to accept Jesus Christ as his or
her savior?

The real question comes down, I think, to something like this: What is most important "to have an answer, perhaps to have the one and only right (correct) answer, OR to ask good questions realizing that you may well never be able to find an answer (to such questions as I listed above), but doing so anyway, because you are convinced that the most important thing in life is to search in an absolutely honest (authentic) manner!
[6] Dovina @ 24.52.157.176 > dougsoderstrom | 11-Jul-04/4:39 PM | Reply
To have the RIGHT answer to all of lif's questions is what I want. What I must be satisfied with in most cases is "to search in an absolutely honest (authentic) manner" for those answers. And the reason for my pathetic condition (which I mean honestly and without inentional insult)is that I envy your faith.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > Dovina | 11-Jul-04/4:59 PM | Reply
Dear Dovina:

My faith is not to be envied.

I have my doubts just like anyone else. And often, the questions I ask, are asked with a whole lot of fear and trembling! In many ways, I would like to be able to go back to "the religious beliefs of my youth," when I was content "to be told the answers." But I cannot! I cannot go back, because of the questions that the good mind that God gave to me seem to "force me" to ask.

When I was content to be "told the answers by others, I had only a high school education. But now, four college degrees later, I seem to have no choice but to take seriously the questions that seem to come so naturally to me at this point in my life. In some ways, I see my capacity to ask such questions as "a gift from God." But at other times, I feel as though they (such questions) are a great burden that I wish could be lifted from me.


I am a college teacher.... and it is my belief that a good education consists not of answers, but rather to the continued asking of better and better questions; questions that become increasinly more incapable of being answered!

When I was young, my faith gave me security without meaning, but now my faith brings me a great deal of meaning, but with a great deal of existential anxiety!

It is a choice that one must make..... and I cannot tell another what to do.....because I do not even know for sure if what I am doing is right. It just seems that it is what I must do...... come Hell or highwater!
[6] Dovina @ 24.52.157.176 > dougsoderstrom | 11-Jul-04/5:04 PM | Reply
I enjoy independence from religious sponsorship, and for that perhaps you envy me, perhaps not. It was nice talking. Thanks.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > Dovina | 11-Jul-04/5:10 PM | Reply
Dovina,

It was, as well, very nice talking with you.

If you would ever like to visit again, feel free to contact me at: dougsod@wcjc.edu

And the best to you.

Your Friend,

Doug Soderstrom
Instructor of Psychology
Wharton County Junior College
Wharton, Texas
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 194.222.223.239 > dougsoderstrom | 12-Jul-04/12:55 PM | Reply
Was it the spiral of depression caused by your demotion from Professor to Instructor which led to your shame-faced return to poemeranker?
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 12-Jul-04/1:43 PM | Reply
Dear Dark Angel:

No, as it turns out, what has led to my return to poemranker is a desire to be with you, a desire to be able to share our different points of view with each other.

Love,

Doug
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 194.222.223.239 > dougsoderstrom | 12-Jul-04/5:30 PM | Reply
A man is arguing with his wife. The screams and taunts, hurled back and forth between the two, echo through through the quiet streets. Eventually the man has had enough, throws some clothes into a night-bag and storms out of the house. Just as he is about to leave, he realises he desperately needs to relieve his bowels. He goes to the outhouse. He strides in, and, still angry, slams the door behind him. Unfortunately, the force of the slam overbalances the precarious structure, and the outhouse crashes over with the man inside. After telling his wife he's never coming back, he now has no choice but to scuttle pathetically back into the house, hopelessly embrowned and covered in paper.

This is very much how I see your return.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 13-Jul-04/12:41 PM | Reply
Dear Dark Angel:

All my life, I have felt like "a piece of shit." So your referring to be as something akin to that (having been "hopelessly embrowned") does not at all surprise me. So, as you will see, I am not bothered. It is okay.

The best to you.

Doug
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 217.42.186.254 > dougsoderstrom | 14-Jul-04/11:31 AM | Reply
Does that mean you're comfortable with the fact that you've made a somewhat greasy return to poemeranker? Will people think you lack integrity for posting something after saying you would never post again? Do you get round that because you're a strong, independent person who doesn't let the opinions of others stand in his way?
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 14-Jul-04/11:51 AM | Reply
Dear Dark Angel:

Yes you are right....... As my return is no doubt "quite greasy!"
And not only do people believe that I must lack integrity returning to Poemranker as I have, but, even more importantly, there is little doubt in my own mind that I have illustrated the fact that "I have no integrity at all" due to the sleasy way I have chosen to return to Poemranker.

Thank you again for your help.

Your Friend,

Doug Soderstrom
[n/a] zodiac @ 217.23.37.85 > dougsoderstrom | 13-Jul-04/3:30 AM | Reply
You show a great gift for being able to forget when you have opened quotes. Keep up the good work!!!!
[n/a] zodiac @ 217.23.37.85 > dougsoderstrom | 13-Jul-04/3:26 AM | Reply
I don't believe it's fair to real professors for you to continue to refer to yourself as a professor. Please stop.
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > zodiac | 13-Jul-04/12:37 PM | Reply
Dear Zodiac:

The fact is that I have been teaching psychology at the college level for the past 38 years (I am now 63 years old), and where I work, it is true, that there is no academic rank (such as Assisstant Professor, Associate Professor, or Full Professor) associated with our tenure at the college where I teach. Every teacher, regardless of their age, number of years taught, or how many degrees one has achieved has the same rank: that of Instructor.
However, given the fact that I have 38 years of successful teaching experience at the collegiate level, have two master's degrees and a Ph.D. in my field of psychology, have been chosen twice to be in Marquis Who's Who Among America's Teachers, I feel that I have "the generic right" to refer to myself as a "Professor"...... especially since where I work being a professor is an impossiblity.

The best to you.

Love,

Doug
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 217.42.186.254 > dougsoderstrom | 13-Jul-04/5:14 PM | Reply
Do you resent the fact that younger, less experienced Instructors have the same rank as you?
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 14-Jul-04/8:58 AM | Reply
Dear Dark Angel:

No, I do not resent the fact that the younger, less experienced Instructors have the same academic rank as myself, because the only thing that matters to me is that of doing a good job of teaching in the classroom. And the fact is that there are very good teachers at all ages........ Some of the younger ones may well need more experience in order to be at their best, while, at the same time, there are older teachers who have lost either their desire or ability to teach well in the classroom.....and it would be better for all if they chose to retire.

However, in my own case, I feel that I am still doing a pretty good job of teaching, but I do plan to retire two years from last May.

The best to you.

Doug
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.86.113.159 > dougsoderstrom | 14-Jul-04/9:11 AM | Reply
If the only thing that matters to you is doing a good job, why did you have to bring disgrace on your self, on your institution, and on Poemeranker, by pretending to be a Professor of Psychology, when in actual fact you were only an Instructor of Psychology. Instructor? Rubbish!

When you retire, are you going to become a full-time playwright?
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 14-Jul-04/11:44 AM | Reply
Dear Dark Angel:

Let's face it.....I guess that I am a fraud, and perhaps even just a "small piece of shit" trying to enable myself to feel better at the unfortunate expense of bring shame to so many others (the college in which I work, Poemranker, as well as others who write such fine poetry on The Poemranker Site. I am sorry, and I'll try to do better in the future.

Thanks for your help, and I sincerely hope that you will choose to forgive me. Thank you very much.

Your Friend,

Doug Soderstrom, Ph.D.
[n/a] -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. @ 81.86.113.159 > dougsoderstrom | 14-Jul-04/1:04 PM | Reply
What you should be apologising for is this appallingly stupid conversation, not your utter failure of a life. But thanks anyway!
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 > -=Dark_Angel=-, P.I. | 14-Jul-04/1:15 PM | Reply
Dear Dark Angel:
Oh.... I really do not feel that the conversation in which we have been engaging is, as you say, "appalling stupid." As it is rather clear to me that you are a pretty smart fellow and also a rather good writer (as I have really enjoyed some of your finer poems.

Personally, I feel that some of the things you have broought to my attention have been rather relevant... and even perhaps a bit enlightening.

The best to you.

Your Friend,

Doug
[6] Prince of Void @ 217.218.131.140 | 11-Jul-04/2:45 PM | Reply
That was good...but do u have the sense of humor ? i think u have and the concept
[8] Shuushin @ 207.5.211.177 | 11-Jul-04/7:02 PM | Reply
This question of faith is unsolvable by definition - save yourself the trouble and just wait and see.

When your heart stops sending blood to your human brain, you will know all you need to know.
[9] patty t @ 24.156.158.81 | 11-Jul-04/7:30 PM | Reply
the opposite of wisdom is also wisdom
the rubbish tin glimmers if the lighting is right
the underground rails will take us from the night
[9] patty t @ 24.156.158.81 | 11-Jul-04/7:33 PM | Reply
ps
I'd like it better without the "!"
[n/a] dougsoderstrom @ 207.80.112.1 | 18-Jul-04/11:11 AM | Reply
The best to you,

Doug
[10] 7!3 @ 219.93.174.101 | 28-Nov-04/1:23 PM | Reply
my opinion on your poem:

curiousity killed the cat. that's why the black cat isn't there... you keep asking questions!

ps; love this poem ; good one.
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