Re: a comment on Genesis by Dovina	12-Apr-06/5:05 PM
How prophetic and Ironic a title you chose.
Re: a comment on Genesis by Dovina	12-Apr-06/4:40 PM
I absolutely admire your resilience.
Re: a dream by lmp	12-Apr-06/4:13 PM
A few minor nitpicks. Don't use "grassy knoll", it harks back to JFK's assasination. "Grassy mound" would work fine. Change "looked" to "seemed". The word look can be the act of looking or it can be just appearing to be and that duality in the word can for a second stumble the reader's train of thought. I think you meant "she waved HER arm" in the last stanza. Otherwise I think this is a very sweet fable and I can imagine telling this as a bedtime story to my niece. Yes, very heartwarming me thinks.
Re: a comment on Behind the storm clouds, the moon consoles the sun.(edited) by ALChemy	12-Apr-06/3:25 PM
Thanks Imp. Consider it done.
Re: Genesis by Dovina	12-Apr-06/8:25 AM
I think I'll just sit back and watch this one if you don't mind.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	12-Apr-06/8:15 AM
ps. It probably wouldn't have bothered me so much if I didn't have such admiration for you. So cut a lesser genius some slack will ya. Have a happy Easter Z.- and if Easter's not your thing then have a happy Sunday.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	12-Apr-06/8:01 AM
You did it so politely, yet you admit to A) Fucking with my head and B) comparing my beliefs to a joke. Just because you word things politely doesn't mean what you're really saying is polite. Yes, you can say whatever you want. That doesn't mean it makes you any less of a jerk if you're saying something hurtful. But I'm assuming it wasn't intentional. That still doesn't make it right. Yes I'm being sensitive, because you guys just won't let up! All I've been trying to do is defend my beliefs. I didn't start this enormous cluster of a debate and my message has been constant- "Don't bother arguing with us, we are blinded by faith." You've worn me down to the point where I'm fed up with constantly hearing how illogical God is. I hate the fact that we ever got to this point(and I admit I played a part in us getting there) but for the love of God(or whatever) let's stop talking about religion and atheism from now on. Maybe I've taken things to heart a little more than usual because I like and admire you and Zodiac so much.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	12-Apr-06/7:39 AM
My point has been that this has been insane from the getgo. To Zodiac: I was calling making fun of someone's beliefs an attack on their beliefs. If you must nitpick and say it's not technically an attack then fine but it's still done in bad taste. Is an argument not a verbal fight? If someone comes up to you and starts a fight with you and you've done nothing to provoke them is that not an unprovoked attack? If someone starts arguing against your beliefs directly to you before you've done anything to provoke them is that not an unprovoked verbal attack? Your the one with the problem. I've got no problem with you being an atheist. I've never gone to any atheist's poem and tried to start arguments about the existence of God. If I did I was surely being a twit that day and my appologies would be automatic. I CAN say something about God. God is the creator of all things and only when we know all things can we truly understand the glory of God completely. But nooo, you want me to give him a little fuzzy beard and dress him like Santa don't you? 'Cause then it's much easier to make fun of. Your just mad because I won't offer a God made of flesh to you so you can verbally crucify him. Fine, here you go, I believe Jesus is the son of God. I hope you'll feel better when you've proven to me what a fool I've been for believing. Maybe I was being a little harsh on ecargo but how many times must I listen to my beliefs be compared to satirical images like purple living marshmellows driving Pintos on Saturn before I decide I'm officially offended. Here's an opposing viewpoint: You walking down a street in Alaska and some guy you and your wife walked by at the store comes up to you and say's "Hey fella, Your wife is a slut. I've read this book that says all women that walk like that are sluts." Do you still think an opposing viewpoint can't in someway be an attack when not provoked. But I guess I was asking for it because some time way way back I must have mentioned something about a logical approach to God's existence. It's as if you were in a bar 2 years earlier and asked everyone if any of them knew your wife in any way and one of them was the guy who later came and said she was a slut. Had you said "This is insane" let's just forget about it earlier I would have agreed and this wouldn't have gone this far. Really, we should agree to never talk about our religious beliefs to each other again.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	11-Apr-06/4:38 PM
I have and had no expectations for the outcome of this whole discussion about God. I'm just tired of everyone trying to change each others minds about it. My only purpose for getting involved was to point out that trying to change our minds on this is a waste of time and to continue to do it is down right badgering. If I've ever while unprovoked, badgered one of them directly about their decision to be atheists my sincerest appologies are offered.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	11-Apr-06/3:45 PM
You may want to attach a disclaimer to avoid some logicians calling you silly.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	11-Apr-06/3:19 PM
Say what ever you want. It's your poem and all that's written beneath it is your property. You can delete it or keep it, it's at your mercy.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	11-Apr-06/3:14 PM
An unprovoked statement against someone's belief directed at them is an attack on their beliefs. No one originally directed any statements to you until you directed statements to them. To say the ghost pirate thing is considered a joke is to say you consider God a joke as you were comparing the two and by doing so calling me and Dovina's beliefs a joke. Whether that was your intention or not that's what you did and that is a statement against our beliefs. Admit it, you think me and Dovina are being silly for believing in God. Go ahead, I don't mind. What I do mind is coming to someone unprovoked and calling them silly. This started as a "gift" to me from Zodiac. I chose to defend my point of view as this "gift" was intended as an argument against my and Dovina's beliefs. I have that right. I was prevoked. To "joke" with someone about their belief system is just as rude as joking about someone's ancestry whether you intended it or not. I am fine with God being unessential to you. I'm even fine with people thinking God doesn't exist or even if they think God's a joke so long as they don't feel the need to go pissing on my parade. It's like your going up to a gay person saying I understand you want to be gay and that gayness can exist but gayness is silly because sex is intended for reproduction and gay sex can't do that so it's totally illogical to be gay. Then you show them by comparing them to a dog fucking a stuffed animal. If you read the actual things I've said you'd see that my views aren't that far off from yours.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	11-Apr-06/1:19 PM
A woman should never talk of having a beard, unless the word "clam" is included.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	11-Apr-06/1:07 PM
You should know better than to use poetics in an argument on a poetry site Dovina, SHEEESH! ;D
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	11-Apr-06/1:03 PM
I could tell you that I think your great-great-great grandfather became after he died a gay ghost butt pirate and that he is the real origin of the aids virus or at least the equivilant of that. Is there a possibility it's true? sure. Am I insulting you, your intelligence and your lineage. Sure looks it. Your doing the same thing as the people who insult people who believe that aliens exist somewhere. What about mind reading? Does that exist in your book or do you compare them to pirate ghosts and pixie fairies too. I see why you believe so much in -=Dark Angel=-, you certainly carry his mentality towards others beliefs. I don't "define" God as everything that is unknowable. I've only said that maybe his proof of existence hasn't been discovered yet. Kinda like alien's proof of existence. Why do you keep twisting what I'm saying and spitting it back at me as the same insultive, patronizing rhetoric. I don't assume anything about it. If it turns out to be proved that God doesn't exist or if it turns out he looks like the God from South Park cartoons I won't Keel over from shock. What you guys did and are doing to Dovina and me is malicious and uncalled for. It's worse than those Jahova's Witnesses knocking at your door and then not going away when you ask them to(that's the only thing I regarded as silly). I've defended you guys when the preachers started preaching in your comment boxes under your poems and I'll defend Dovina's right to not be attacked for her belief system also. My God this isn't even a religious poem. I know what Occam's Razor is. I already know your response: "Yeah but what me and Zodiac are saying is entirely logical". My response: Thanks for the insult. p.s. I still admire you greatly. ;-D
Re: Letting go by Caducus	11-Apr-06/5:48 AM
I think you might need some commas but maybe you meant to do omit them. Some of it gets a little hokey but some of the images like the last one are gems. Extra points for teaching me something about botany.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	10-Apr-06/9:28 PM
Yeah, that's probably the entirely wrong word. I think you know what I was trying to say though. Your the wordsmith, help a fellow Irish American out here. What I mean is God may(or may not) exist on a different plain of reality that we don't quite understand yet in the same kind of way that scientist think there may be undiscovered dimensions. Then again he may be the old guy with a beard and he just chooses remain silent like in my poem and hide outside the confines of science as to allow us complete freedom to naturally come to our own conclusions. Who knows? I say believe what you need or want to believe. Whether you believe in God or not Zodiac, I still think the same about you. I still think your a good person either way.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	10-Apr-06/8:31 PM
I don't think like that. So in that way I agree with Occam. Had you not said: "Yes, of course I'm using Occam's razor as an argument against God's existence." we wouldn't be having this (and I agree it's) nonsensical conversation. I also don't care for the way he uses the word simple.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	10-Apr-06/8:23 PM
There can be one comprehensible at this time. Just not mine. The fact that you want me to believe in the God that you can much more easily debunk is what is nuts. This is what you said verbatim: "Yes, of course I'm using Occam's razor as an argument against God's existence." Sorry, apperantly you just pasted all that stuff for entertainment and not to prove to me God didn't exist. How did I ever misinterpret that? Your really stuck on my usage of the word comprehend aren't you? I mean to fully understand and observe something in a way that you can precisely define what exactly it is and be sure that there is no mistake.(I'm sure your going to think of wasting time by using God in a sentence or bringing up a Dictionary.com definition). You can comprehend the apple and even the man holding it but you can't comprehend exactly how or why it appeared out of thin air. Sure you could say he told it to appear but that really doesn't explain anything does it. You can have theories but that doesn't mean you understand it exactly, does it? I could try to comprehend what Alaska feels like but does that mean I know for sure what it feels like? No, I can only imagine, but yes imagine is another kind of meaning for comprehension. It's just not the one I was using and I appologize for confusing you.
Re: a comment on The Battle of Fort Bragg by Dovina	10-Apr-06/7:45 PM
With an invisible beard, silly.