An extract from a deleted discussion on J.B. Manning's poeme "Five Minutes"
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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In today's hectic lifestyle of microwave dinners, instant coffees, pre-fabricated furnitures, self-cleaning ovens, internet chat rooms, electrical tooth brushes, prosthetic robo-limbs and cybernetic shoehorns, is it any wonder we can't even get things right for just five minutes? How often have you sat, terrified, on a crowded subway and thought to yourself "My God, is everyone in this carriage a gay?"? How often have you barged through a herd of drooling disableds just to get to Starbucks on time? How often have you honked your horn, caught a cab, skipped your breakfast, pissed in the sink, emailed a marriage proposal, dialled for assistance or tampled a baby? Hmm? Don't answer yet - think about it for a while.
About five minutes should do the trick...
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J.B. Manning
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Actually, I've done none of those things, you worthlessly ingorant piece of bible thumping shyte. But thought to myself, "My world, is everyone in this carriage a bible thumping, witch burning, conclusion jumping, biggot?" Then I release, no...it's just Darky. I'd like to have five minutes with you and your bible, but you're too busy conspiring with others who knock Hitler's actions but follow his passion.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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I'd rather jump to conclusions than jump to the beat of Satan's drum kit.
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J.B. Manning
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oh PU-LEASE. Oh NOOOOO it's SATAN!! I'm SOOOO SCARED!! Oh NOOOO it's a BIBLE and it's A JESUS LOVER. OOOH I'm so scared!!! Some mortal man wrote a book and I'm supposed to believe every word of it to the point of persecuting people I have no reason to, other than my own fear of the unknown. You are truly a weak man with no will of your own. And I hate to break it to you brotha, but the fag is rapidly becoming a commodity in Hollywood and the all mighty dollar will continue to bring us into public view. So if you donât like it, TOO BAD. Weâre hear, weâre queer, and we have no fear. Still, I will not have ill feelings for you. It is not your own will that you follow. As you have no mind of your own. Good day to you.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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Let me tell you a story, young man. It's about a man... a man named JESUS. He had some pretty revolutionary beliefs too, and in the end he died on the cross for what he said. But there was one line JESUS didn't cross... The line that separate's a man's anus from the rest of the world.
I hope you continue to enjoy sodomy as much as you do now, friend, because when you die (perhaps of a homosexually-transmitted disease like AIDS), it is SATAN who will be sodomising you for all ETERNITY.
You will be in my prayers.
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J.B. Manning
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Yeah? Show me some proof? Show me something solid about this so called jesus and so called satan? Hitler had some pretty revolutionary beliefs too and hundreds of thousands of people believed what he had to say. As for your insult about me dying it only shows that you and your religion are so completely contradictory of yourself that I find it completely humorous. You are so stuck on something someone else told you that you can't even see that love is more important than anything else. How my partner and I chose to share our love is insignificant to the women and anti-white repressing values of you and yours. While you continue to silence your woman, secretly stand against other races, and persecute any who stand against your fictional beliefs, I share love, caring, and joy. Eternity, as you see it, is as much an illusion as are your beliefs. None of which I am concerned about. You can wield your words any which way, but I know the truth and I will continue to live my life as I do, wealthy in love and compassion for those around me. And acceptance for them all. FYI, I'm sorry to inform you, but when the government powers, influenced by religious organizations who chose to take the bible into their own hands (despite what it says about doing so) and create AIDS they failed to realize that it also effects heterosexuals like yourself. Even though you are stupid as a rock, it's ok, Aids doesn't discriminate as you do. Your words only continue to expand my belief in your ignorance. There is no such thing as a homosexually-transmitted disease. Where do you live? A small town in Europe, I'm sure. Or middle America. Where all the hate groups originate. What's next? Black People? Oh wait, you've already lost that battle. Just as you'll lose this one. We're not going anywhere friend!
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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You want the FACTS, kiddo? You think you got what it takes to hit the big leagues and swing with the hipsters downtown? Then take a trip down wise guy road and ditch your lousy life of sin. Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"... well I haven't sinned in over thirty-five years (which was before I even became a Christian) so I guess I qualify on that front. Which is why I KNOW I'm a better person than you. I'm spiritually stronger, more wholesome, I have more friends and loved ones than you, and I'm generally braver and more intelligent. I'm not trying to boast - all my excellent qualities are thanks to Him. But if I know anything about this crazy old world, it's that you ain't gonna make it into showbiz when you're hangin' on easy street. Gay or straight, Christ is a-comin'. And when He does, you'd better not be gay...
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J.B. Manning
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. Look out everybody, JESUS IS COMING! OOOOOOOHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO. Your statements will have no ground and I will live my life without fear. Though you would have us all afraid and therefore succumb to your ignorant ideologies, I am not and I will not. -- As a note, I don't intend to be in show business. I'm referring to the fact that the Gay Man is in it and we're not going anywhere. As for suggesting suicide or some other form of extinguishing fate for gay men, it's just like you to suggest that all the nonconformists in the world be killed. Just like you...that is exactly why the world is in the state that it's in. Not because of me. But it doesn't matter; you're too hard headed and stuck in your middle-American ways to see the truth surrounding you. I'm done with you.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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Who said anything about suicide? I'll tell you who. You did. Just then. You just made it up then started thinking I said it. I don't happen to think you should fight one sin with another sin. Whilst a mass suicide within the gay community would solve a lot of problems, I wouldn't advocate anything that involved voluntary self-termination. I'd certainly agree to culling a few homosexuals in prominent positions, and I also think that children who obviously appear nonce-like should be identified at an early age and removed from schools. That would have a far more significant affect on the spread of homosexuality than the odd suicide ever would.
As regards your reaction to the threat of Christ's return, may I just say that laughing in the face of certain pulverisation is an extraordinarily absurd thing to do. I've heard genuine stories from angels who have spoken to me during prayer about what happens to your kind post mortem. Mother Teresa, who is now an angel called Mother Teresa II, told me that if I continue to lead my life in the way I have been for the past thirty years, I'll almost certainly get into heaven and I'll probably become an angel within a few months. Sadly, the same cannot be said for you...
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J.B. Manning
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wow, can I have some of the drugs you're taking? You must be really freaking high. Hell, why don't we get rid of all of the blacks, rebels, girls, and anyone else who dare stand up against your beliefs? Come on Hitler, please do continue expressing your plans for purifying the world of all our wicked ways.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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They aren't my plans. They are Christ's plans. And Mother Teresa II is among those helping Christ to put said plans into action. And this may come as a shock to you, but I don't do drugs. It must be a novel experience for a homosexual like yourself to meet someone whose opinions actually make sense because they aren't drug induced. What is it the gay community like to smoke on a regular basis? Is it crack? or LSD? Anyway it's one of those two, and it's probably why your views are so much more ridiculous than mine.
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J.B. Manning
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Ha, I don't do drugs either and it's neither of those drugs that you speak of that are popular in the gay community. Though the governing forces that would pump them into our community just as they pump crack cocaine in the black community, decided on a different substance of public control.
Your views are not sensible, they are completely ridiculous. You base your logic on hallucinations and dreams? Your organizations have a history of ravaging and pillaging lands based on your search for Gods truth. While you sit here and express your interest in the segregation and subsequent murder of children based on their appearance of sexual orientation. You speak of love while you lust for blood and dare to compare my kind with the devil. You sir, are indeed a fool. I'm sorry Hitler, your words may seem sizable, but I will not follow.
Itâs absolutely ironic that you would suggest that Mother Teresa, a woman of piece to all man kind, would be plotting in secret right by Jesusâs side. To do what? Make us pay? Punish us? Well, if the punishment for my loving the one whom I love is to burn for all of eternity in the fiery pits of hell, then SO BE IT! I would sacrifice everything and anything to know the joy and freedom that my lover has given me. You sir, the coward that you are, as you hide in fear of mortal mans god, could not possibly understand such a sacrifice. Run now, run behind your bible and hide behind your beliefs, they shall never be more empty when coming from you.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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I've just been praying and spoke to Mother Teresa II about her role in God's plan. It's interesting that you describe her as a woman of peace because that's exactly what she is. She loves you, just as she loves all sinners. But if you continue to reject that love, and the love of Jesus Christ, then I'm afraid she takes a rather dim view of the whole affair. Her role in implementing God's plan is two-fold: firstly, she acts as a messenger to Christian prophets like myself (I use the word 'prophet' here as the technical term for a terrestrial conduit for God's Word) and secondly, she transports sinners, after Judgement has been passed, to their final resting place, be that heaven or hell. In the spiritual world she now inhabits, 'transportation' isn't easy to describe. It's important to realise that in heaven there are no 'vehicles' in the everyday sense of the word, merely crucifixes which act as portals to different spiritual realms. Mother Teresa II makes use of these holy gateways whenever necessary. Whatever you might say about Mother Teresa, there is really no irony in her serving the Lord she dedicated her life to. I'll pray for you.
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J.B. Manning
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you're such a fucking lunatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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Well that's a coherent argument if ever I saw one. Just remember that a lot of people with bright ideas were branded as lunatics by heathens. Your fear is showing, and it will only make my faith stronger.
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J.B. Manning
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My fear? You think I'm afraid of you? HA! You really are diluted. I'm as afraid of you as I am the text I'm typing.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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Now you're just lying. Aside from the fact that gay men are always intimidated by heterosexual men, there are blatant signs that my comments have a touched nerve very close to your conscience. Your faith in the peacefulness of Mother Teresa, and my spiritual links with Mother Teresa II, are no coincidence. I'm praying very strongly for her to swoop down to your spirit and cleanse your soul. You will feel better when your mind has been purged of the unbelievably sordid perversions that corrupt it on a daily basis.
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J.B. Manning
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Intimidated by heterosexual men? HAHAHA! Man, would I love you to say that to even 30% of the gay men I know. The ones who spend more time in the gym then you do in church. The guys who run offices in high rises in the financial district of San Francisco.
It's evident that you, who are so afraid of us that you would have us removed from your presence, are the one who is truly intimidated by us. Just as you once were by the strengths of women united to vote. You fear our strengths, our intelligence, and all that is good in us which will rise up publicly and reveal the truth of your philosophies.
"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a great lie than a small one," ~ Adolf Hitler
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Deamon_Knight
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I can't believe that someone would let a book with near sided narrow minded views cloud up the vision so badly that you can't read a poem about the hussle and bussle of life and how we should just stop every now and then be human again. To regaurd people as people, friends as the rocks in our life that they are and the less fortunate as someone we're not ashamed to sit next to on the bus. MY God may not be the same as Darky's or JB's or even my parents, but who ever he is, where ever he is, he's not spiteful, full of hate or vengful. THat's a STORY of a god who doesn't exsist anymore. You want some facts about the bible? Here goes...(Keep in mind that a MAN wrote this, not jesus) The bible says its okay to take women durring wars and make them concubines (forgive the spelling errors) IT says judge not lest ye be judged. It says that all men are created in the image of GOD himself.
Now some facts that may have gotten past your NARROW line of sight Darky....we are, as of today, 1 in every 9 men. (Gays that is) Now, the number was not as high back in the days of jesus christ, but we were there too. And how many followers did he have? Hmmm, what do you think the statistic was? Food for thought is all.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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All I can gather from your post is that you worship false idols and churn out meaningless liberalist statistics concerning the number of gay men in the Universe. Nobody is born gay. It is a disease of the spirit that is propagated by media sensationalism and gross negligence. The parents of gays also take some of the blame for not making their gay son play masculine contact sports like football or soccar at least once in their lives. Left to play on their own or with younger sisters, it's no wonder that some young boys become confused.
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J.B. Manning
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Actually, to prove yet another ignorant statement made on your part, I was star of my high school football team at center position, spent four years beating the hell out of dorks like you in the middle of a kickboxing ring, was the highest marked shooter with, in my battalion, an M-16 A2 assault rifle as a specialist in the United States Army. And I'm almost certain that I'm by far more masculine than you. Religion is a choice, not sexuality.
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Deamon_Knight
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let's do this right. First, I played tackle football when I was little. Why you ask? I was made to by my parents, they, like many, thought that that was what a little boy should be doing. Did I like it? No, I have never cared for sports much. And if you ask me, a sport in which we teach little boys to tackle other little boys to the ground all for the sake of a "ball" and then let them pat one another on the ass speaks for it's self. Second, how dare you attack someones parents for a life that's not even theirs. What a child, such as I did, creates his own views, as EVEYONE does, he begins to decide things for himself. Being gay isn't a choice, wether or not you are strong enough to deal with the ignorance you will have to face, that's a choice. Wether or not you can stomach it when a feable man hides behind a book and an intangable God threatening to spank you from thoushands of years ago eggs you on, that's a choice. Knowing that this man is arguing a postion that is dieing....that his views will eventually be so antiquated that ALL will look at him with disgust and sorrow in their hearts for his losses in life, that is a choice. Ignorance is like fire, Darky, and you're just fanning the flames. Know of what you speak before you do so. Good day.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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I stand by my accusations concerning the guilt of the parents involved. There are plenty of warning signs when it comes to identifying the early stages of homosexuality:
- An unhealthy appetite for reading
- Unwillingness to play sports
- Dressing up 'games'
- Over affectionate personality traits
- Walking within the home for long periods of time not fully clothed
- Odd smells? These are caused by hormonal imbalances, often betrayed by a faint scent of rose-water.
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J.B. Manning
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what are you talking about really? I enjoy playing sports, there is no such thing as an unhealthy appetite for reading your moron, and only you here say what people can and cannot wear, over affectionate? - I'm sure you'd rather us all wear the same tightly fitting, masculine uniforms and raise are masucline hands to your insignia? Or is a kilt to feminine for you dear Hitler? walking in the home not fully clothed? Oh then I guess everyone in FLorida, CA, and any other warm state MUST be gay! and I'm sure you radiate your own decrepidly odd smells everytime you open your decaying mouth. Rose Water? Wtf are you even talking about?
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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It's not normal for young boys to enjoy reading. And anyway, reading is mostly a waste of time. Why read books when you've got The Bible? You were good at sports? Maybe you were. But that must have been before you caught gay. Besides, the gay characteristics I identified are only true of 99.99% of homosexuals - you have to account for free will, which always limits us to less than 100% accuracy. As for the rose water smell, that is a fact and I have smelt it myself when I accidentally walked into a Gay bar downtown.
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J.B. Manning
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OMG, I'm rolling!! This is so funny!!! OMG OMG...IT HURTS!!! CAUGHT THE GAY!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! This is so funny!! Caught the gay!!! hahahahahah!!! DUUUUDE, you are so funny. Are you Margarete Cho? HAHHA caught the gay!! haha. Actually, I was gay when I started playing football. I liked how cut guys asses looked in the uniforms. I was 9. Yup, born with it deary. I never caught the gay. though that is the funniest thing I've ever heard. No, your comment about reading is the funniest thing! hahaha....wow...lol lol hahaha...caught the gay. hahaha.
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Deamon_Knight
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So much ignorance in one man. First off, I don't read that ofton, however I am well read. I did play sports just didn't like football, seemed a little gay don't you think? Oh, who's your favorite team Darky? A bit homo-erotic eh? What dress up games are you refering to? And what's with not being clothed? I grew up in a military family, we were clothed, and loved very much. ...yes, so much ignorance. You know, from this, one MIGHT make assumptions as to your up bringing, or lack there of. Too much hugging or not enough? This rose water...is this a smell often comming from your fathers clothes and personal belongings? And how often did dadddy, "visit" you late at night after mother had gone to bed? Seems to me that you could be gayer than I am, just repressed more. A self loather really. To hate someone for being different is to hate yourself with such passion that you can't controll it, so it leaks out onto others.
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J.B. Manning
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Let's not confuse Darky's relationship with his father as being gay. No Darky, that's insest and child abuse and we don't condone that. Though we do think you are still a special person. YOu are not to blame for enjoying such inappropriate advances from your father, so don't blame us for what he did. We like other men, not little boys. It's ok, you can cry. Just put down that crucifix handles knife, it's not going to make things right.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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What happened between me and my father is none of your business. It had no affect on my sexuality and most importantly, no effect on my faith in Jesus. It's irrelevant and I don't want to talk about it with people like you!!
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J.B. Manning
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Very interesting how we both predicted your childhood experiences in the way you attempt to regain your strentghs by attacking us. We didn't molest you man, we don't molest children. You said it yourself, what happened to you has nothing to do with your sexuality so stop attacking us for it. Let it go. We still care about you. You're human. We don't hate. So why hate us?
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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You don't know anything about my childhood experiences! Stop trying to judge me!!! I've been through stuff that would make ordinary, decent people vomit blood. What your kind would make of it all I shudder to think.
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J.B. Manning
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Oh, I'm sure you suffered greatly and I"m sorry that you have. Unlike you I wish no ill will to children, no matter who they are or where they come from. Like I said, I'm sorry that you were hurt, but you've only proven my point and make it clear what your true motivations are. Pain breeds fear, fear breeds hate, hate breeds attacks, and all the while you need a face to place on the victims. Your fathers on ours...but we don't molest children so place it where it belongs and let go of your fear. Let go of your hate. You are the only one suffering here, Not me. As I am filled with love, true love, not imagined.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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I find that difficult to believe, especially when I consider what I've been hearing in my prayers. Mother Teresa III, who is an assistant to Mother Teresa II, told me that your soul was filled with hate, and that she was unable to cleanse your spirit. Hardly characteristics I'd associate with someone who was filled with "love, true love, not imagined".
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J.B. Manning
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Oh boy, now you have more than one voice in your head? Seems like you need to discuss this with a professional. Wow man, you're really fucked up. The best you can come up with is something you just made up as a defense. I heard that post-traumatic stress after being molested often jolts a child into a world of delusion and dissociation, but man...I've never actually heard one speak. Wow, it's amazing how crazy you are.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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For your information it is you who needs help not me. Why is it so difficult to believe that in a spiritual realm controlled by an INFINITE and OMNIPOTENT being, namely Jesus Christ, that there could be more than 2,000 Mother Teresa's to collect? Is that so extraordinary? Of course not. Christ can do anything, and when a spirit is as pure as Mother Teresa's you want as many of them hanging around as you can get. As a child, I took my mind off the abuse I was suffering by playing character based role-playing games. I had collected thousands of different characters and was able to apply them skillfully to different situations. They each had different strengths and I collected as many as I could to maintain a broad power base. I think that is the reason why I get on so well with the armies of christian angels in God's kingdom. You probably think I'm deluded. BELIEVE ME, I've spoken to them. It's funny just how wrong homosexuals can be when they ignore rational thought and jump on the pink, fluffy, "I don't like girls - I'm gay" bandwagon. You're such a joke. And so predictable.
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J.B. Manning
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True love, not imagined = the joy and wamrth I feel everytime I see my boyfriends face.
You talking to Mother Teresa - imagined.
See the connection phsyco?
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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I can see I'm still not getting through to you. Mother Teresa III couldn't heal your spirit, so I'm going to try Mother Teresa IV. None of the Mother Teresa's are more powerful than any other, apart from Mother Teresa II who is the most powerful. But they each have different strengths and are suited to different spirits depending on the sins committed. I hope Mother Teresa IV will get through to you this time. I don't like watching you suffer like this.
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J.B. Manning
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HAHA OOOOOOOKAY, you do that. While you're doing that I'm going to leave work so I can clean my beautiful, 3-bedroom town house in Sunny California, while my beautiful Chinese boyfriend comes over in his BMW that he paid for with his very successful job, and we're going to show, through physical expression of the beautiful and perfect bodies that we were given, our true and pure love for each other. I'm sorry that you're unsuccessful and lonely and you need all of this to feel as if you have a connection with people. YOu go ahead and pray and talk to whomever you please. It's of no conciquence to me. BTW, are you like 5? You sound very much like a child. Have a wonderful weekend, I wish you no illwill as I have no hate in my heart.
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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no hate? That's not what Mother Teresa V says.
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J.B. Manning
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Oh really? Wow, that statement has LOUDS of merritt. So does my cock, wanna see? At least my load is more real than yours!
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-=Dark_Angel=-
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You can't baffle me with lewd references to your 'c*ck'. I've learnt to ignore swear words just as I've learnt to ignore the mindless ramblings of the deluded sufferers of gay. I find it rather telling that you said my statements have 'LOUDS of merritt' - something that Mother Teresa VI (who is an experimental rocket powered version) predicted you would do with startling accuracy.
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