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I agree.
not that the irc channel -=da=- set up got any traffic, but... sure. what exists sucks. the question is... irc or jabber chat? plus in either case, probably a local applet to make life happier. I'll also look into running ircd and ... hmm. yes. note to self: http://www.jwirc.com/j_applet.html anyone have something better than the above? (free, with code?)
hmm. or maybe: http://snirc.sourceforge.net/
or: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jicra/ also... is it possible to host different ircd's virtually, as websites work? maybe I'd need a fancier ircd. hmm. (don't want to bother with sitting them on different ports if I can get away with it)
The reason the channel I set up didn't get any traffic* was because most people think -=Dark_Angel=- is too immature to run a poetry channel. Hideous imbeciles. Also, it was called '#poemeranker' so people probably spelled it wrong and entered an empty channel.
What's wrong with a basic IRC channel, accessed with an IRC client? IRC clients are convenient, 'feature-rich', and plentiful, and anyone who can use a browser can use one. All the major networks have configurable channel manager bots. * even though it actually did
Also, I don't see any particular reason to use ircd on your own server when there are existing free IRC networks.
dalnet is a network known to be gutted by packet kiddies.. i think you should move the channel.
where do you suggest, presuming I don't run an ircd myself? [[running it myself gets the bonus that people not using some other client *could* use a java applet...]]
efnet is a hellzone aswell.. undernet might work.. but.. pfft.
fefnet. liii.fef.net a small, but stable little universe.
Any IRC network you frequent is guaranteed to be cack.
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i dont frequent it, but it is small and stable, and has no problems that i know of that have to do with DoS attacks or general irc havoc. -- Two: why the hell would you dismiss my suggestion simply because _I_ suggested it? do YOU have some REASONABLE arguements against moving the channel to fefnet? -- three: if what i supposedly frequent is cack, that must make dalnet good? you want me to go into detail on why dalnet is a thousand times shittier than fefnet? DO YOU HAVE A BETTER OPTION? -- four: are you just saying that to spark up another pointless and stupid arguement? -that is all.
With his own ircd, he could autokill unpleasant chatters.
He could designate certain people as IRC Operators. He could also modify it to be more appropiate for poemranker folk. With an ircd running on the server, we wont need to deal with large irc network chat morons that pop in to simply cause a ruckus. theres alot of good reasons. I think your simply butt hurt about the fact that your attempt to maintain a poemranker chatroom was not very successfull, hence your whining. you also dont seem to have given the idea any REAL consideration nor have you thought about it, but immediately dismissed the idea. How unwise of you.. pity.
You're a very sensitive young man.
"With his own ircd, he could autokill unpleasant chatters." With the configurable channel bots that you get on *net channels, he could autokill unpleasant chatters. "He could designate certain people as IRC Operators." See above. "With an ircd running on the server, we wont need to deal with large irc network chat morons that pop in to simply cause a ruckus." That never, ever happens to small channels, and what do you think banlists are for "He could also modify it to be more appropiate for poemranker folk." Whatever that means. It's a chat room, not a multimedia poetry lounge. Benefits of existing chat network: 1. Multiple servers, so faster/closer connections for people world-wide 2. No downtime 3. Configuration of a channel bot 10x easier than setting up and running ircd to do all the things channel bots do, so it will actually happen instead of just being a plan 5. No chance of an attack taking down the poemeranker web server 6. Nickserv 7. Etc. "I think your simply butt hurt about the fact that your attempt to maintain a poemranker chatroom was not very successfull, hence your whining." Yep, I spelled it #poemeranker and harangued the people who visited it because I really wanted it to be "successful". "you also dont seem to have given the idea any REAL consideration nor have you thought about it, but immediately dismissed the idea." I didn't give it any REAL consideration because I know a bit about IRC networks and running linux daemons. Plainly you don't.
im not sensitive, i just want to have a somewhat mature debate with you. your good at it, and i need practice.
"With the configurable channel bots that you get on *net channels, he could autokill unpleasant chatters" one: dalnet doesnt offer bots, (services dont count) undernet does though, but you mean BAN, dont you? autokill is a server ban, an a-killed hostmask will be automatically booted when it attempts to connect to the server. IRCops are server authority figures that may close a channel/a-kill others, handle server glitches, etc. 1. Multiple servers, so faster/closer connections for people world-wide you have a point about bandwidth, and about an attack on poemranker, but bandwidth shouldnt be a big problem since there are not that many rankerfolk, we arent looking at huge ircd loads here. An attack on poemranker is unlikely, its not a site that provokes script kiddies to lauch ddos or dos against the server, plus it would not be a large network, so it isnt likely that they will attain much publicity from attacking us, and bragging counts for a large percentage of a script kiddies life. ircds are set up to provide chatroom service to others, not to actually set up the channel, and services code is readily available via opensource. folks could make their own private rooms and such. --------------------------------------- Where can I go to chat realtime? try #poemranker on DalNET; -=Dark_Angel=- was kind enough to set that up. --------------------------------------- ^^^ well, i think bad advertising is a major factor in your channels failure, this is a copy-paste from the help section. you dont seem to understand the slight differences between ircds and IRC CHANNELS, etc, linux daemons dont endow you with ircd knowledge apparently. linux? look, i am not a microsoft windows underling, so suddenly mentioning linux compels me to give an old reply: BSDi bitch, linux is an infant. BLEH. -no insult intended, just quoting an old saying of mine.
"but you mean BAN, dont you? autokill is a server ban, an a-killed hostmask will be automatically booted when it attempts to connect to the server."
No shit, really. It's one channel. Server ban is no better than a channel ban. "you have a point about bandwidth, and about an attack on poemranker, but bandwidth shouldnt be a big problem since there are not that many rankerfolk, we arent looking at huge ircd loads here." Poemeranker is slow enough as it is. And I didn't say anything about bandwidth, I said the connections would be closer/faster. The poemeranker server isn't close to everyone. A chat network with multiple servers worldwide is. "ircds are set up to provide chatroom service to others, not to actually set up the channel, and services code is readily available via opensource." No shit. "folks could make their own private rooms and such." Folks could do that on an IRC network. Why would they want a private channel on the poemeranker IRC server? And why would nentwined want to provide them with one? "you dont seem to understand the slight differences between ircds and IRC CHANNELS, etc, linux daemons dont endow you with ircd knowledge apparently." You can't read. "linux? look, i am not a microsoft windows underling, so suddenly mentioning linux compels me to give an old reply: BSDi bitch, linux is an infant. BLEH." And? I'm not having an os competition with you. I don't care what os you run. Poemeranker runs on Linux as far as I know. Summary of the reasons for using an existing chat network: 1. Easier and quicker setup 2. Near 100% uptime 3. Faster connections 4. All the services an established network provides already up and running. Summary of the reasons for running an irc daemon 1. "Folks could create their own private channels." 2. "It could be customised for poemeranker folk" Well I just don't know which one to choose.
"Poemeranker is slow enough as it is. And I didn't say anything about bandwidth, I said the connections would be closer/faster. The poemeranker server isn't close to everyone. A chat network with multiple servers worldwide is."
distance isnt that big of an issue, "connections being faster" well more bandwidth, more speed, the more the server is able to handle larger loads, regardless of distance between server and chatclient. -shrug- im one of those nerds that consider running an ircd fun and challenging, a techie adventure.. perhaps im forgetting to be reasonable. but, i wonder.. the current website chatcave runs off of the webserver.. granted it indeed uses much less memory and cpu heh. public irc networks do have easier and quicker setup, indeed. 100% uptime - well poemranker has a decent uptime record, it does have its moments though. (what, you want to idle 24/7? is an irc chat window some sort of lifeline?) services does come in most default ircd code, installed on setup, (usually.) I like the concept of being isolated, sue me. i guess i lose this one, nice debating with you. my mention of bad advertising was right on the dot though.
"distance isnt that big of an issue,"
Yes it is. Try to play quake on a server on the other side of the world. IRC isn't quake but high latency is always shit. "-shrug- im one of those nerds that consider running an ircd fun and challenging, a techie adventure.. perhaps im forgetting to be reasonable." That's totally irrelevant. You wouldn't even be the one setting it up, and the point isn't to fuck around with setting it up, it's to get it running so people can, you know, use it. "100% uptime - well poemranker has a decent uptime record, it does have its moments though. (what, you want to idle 24/7? is an irc chat window some sort of lifeline?)" No. However, if the current chatcave is anything to go by, we'd have about 10% uptime. "my mention of bad advertising was right on the dot though." It was 'true', but it had nothing to do with the question.
*Weeps*
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I suggest the rogue nentwined creates an actual IRC channel, as -=Dark_Angel=- originally suggested. Nobody wants to look at an empty chatroom poorly programmed in java through a minuscule browser window.