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The Symbol (Free verse) by Dovina Hung about her neck
A symbol of cruelty
blood and death
swings above her heart.
Sheâs a gang memberâs babe
indecent, vicious and punk
not to be trusted or hired
possibly terrorist
probably AIDS
else sheâd trade that cross
for some less gruesome symbol
of deathâ
a skull perhaps
Up the ladder:
Disaster in Disguise
Down the ladder:
Thoughts Asunder
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Posted: March 24, 2005 8:40 AM PST; Last modified: March 24, 2005 8:40 AM PSTWeighted score: 6.7232094 Overall Rank: 486 Comments:
I really feel you on this one D.
'Tis a way to look at it, isn't it?
terrorist? -0-
Yes terrorist. Anyone wearing a symbol of perhaps the most painful form of execution ever devised might be wearing dynamite.
A symbol of your poetry?
I love the "probably AIDS" bit. I can't help but wonder if that wasn't just a bit of on the ranker humor though, or is it something else?
<3 Jason
âOn-the-ranker-humorâ? Me? How could you?
"Skull & Cross Bon Mots"
Why not?
What is this symbol round her neck though. Agree about AIDS, the cack handed grammar of it, that the narrator does not really know what she is on about.
Would you mind rephrasing that in the English language using English grammar?
would you mind being a bit less thick.
That is to say. The question is what is the symbol of cruelty. The answer I presume a crucifix. The question that begs, why so coy?
Coy? I thought it was a straightforward look at the cross as a symbol.
There must have been a reason you refused to write the word crucifix in your poem. I think it is because you believe if your symbol is sufficiently vague it becomes transcendental and represents lots of thing.
No, the cross is a symbol of the same death as the crucifix is. I was not trying to be vague.
You're wrong on both counts. Neither of them are symbols of death.
** TEST ** 1. Show a crucifix to almost anyone in the modern world - preferably Christian, but really anyone will do. 2. Ask them, what does this represent to you? Q: Would you say the crucifix/cross (sic) is still a symbol of death even though almost no one in the world has thought that for centuries? Q2: Would you say it still is because it's a symbol of death for you, Dovina? Q3: Would you ever consider writing a poem about something you HADN'T read on an email forward?
ADDENDUM: The crucifix is actually a symbol for death-overcome - except in the case of poor (ie, Latin-American) Catholics, for whom it's a symbol for death-about-to-be-overcome.
Yes, you can argue, but it's going to be 10 years of Catholic School vs. you mangling an email forward mangling George Carlin. PS- http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&am
Untrue on all counts. You fail.
No it's not. Have you asked anyone what the crucifix is a symbol for?
Here, I will: ************************* QUESTION FOR THE AUDIENCE ************************* Q: What is the crucifix a symbol for?
PS-I find it hilarious that the only thing you've ever taken -=Dark_Angel=-,P.I.'s word on is that I'm dim. Talk about openmindedness!!!!!!! LOL !!!!! L!!L!O!L!!!!!
The cross is a symbol of redemption, of the Christian faith, of acceptance of Christ's suffering for sinners, of His substitutionary death, of faith shown by the wearer of the cross in Christ, a good luck charm, a mockery, or a gruesome method of execution.
The cross is not a symbol of a good luck charm, nor of a gruesome method of execution. It IS a good luck charm and IS a gruesome method of execution.
As usual, your grammar's a total mess. How are we supposed to continue this discussion if you keep commenting like an epileptic uselessly flapping his spasm-riddled arms on the keyboard?
How are we to continue if you cannot see thourgh a grammatical error in a comment and address the comment rather than the grammar? Grammar is expected is poems, not in comments.
What do you mean, "see thourgh a grammatical error"? The topic of the conversation is whether or not the cross is a symbol of gruesome execution or an instrument of gruesome education. It think that makes it pretty relevant that you're trying to make the cross a "symbol" of execution by grammar-mangling.
PS-Don't whemy yourself. I disagree with -=Dark_Angel=-,P.I.
"gruesome education" is a typo, but funny. Of course, I meant "gruesome execution".
I pardon your typo and agree - it's a symbol of grusome execution. I said that in the poem without any grammar mangling.
Who are you agreeing with?
You. I know it sounds unbelievable.
You're both wrong.
The cross Jesus died on: * Is a gruesome instrument of execution Crucifixion: * Is a gruesome method of execution Symbolic crosses: * Are symbols of a gruesome instrument of execution * Are symbols of a gruesome method of execution * Are good luck charms Dovina: * Is a buffoon zodiac: * Fills his bloomers daily
Only figuratively. Since moving to the desert I'm lucky to fill my bloomers once weekly, and only with rabbit pellets at that.
What does a symbolic cross look like? Who looks at a symbolic cross and thinks "hey, that calls to mind a gruesome method of execution!"?
Me, I do.
I'm going to say, "Did you write this poem for anyone other than yourself?" You're going to say, "No." And I'm going to say, "What a load of crap."
I'm tired of this. Can we talk about something else?
Yes, why don't you comment on one of my recent poems on which I received no comments. I feel neglected.
Hey D. It's been awhile I love the poem.
Perhaps you love the cross too. Not many on poemranker are strong enough to love both.
The cross is awful. The poem is awful.
When you wrote this poeme, did you imagine the "gang member's babe" as a black woman? Be honest.
Latina. With tattoos and saucily accessorized.
No. But neither did I imagine her as not black.
You did not imagine her at all? Did you write this poem? -0-
I wrote the poem. I had nobody in mind, only the common practice of wearing a cross about the neck.
tis the lenten season. for catholics... the cross actually symbolizes redemption. i just find it kinda ... ironic. you have to keep things in perspective though. you need to know you're readers sociology and orientation. i think resentment or perhaps just a hint of escape ... that's my opine.
Redemption yes. Happy Easter.
I must've missed this while on the road. I got it, and think it's fine.
Come off the road anytime, truckdriver.
Well done!
Boring tripe.
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