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You Have It Backwards (Free verse) by LilMsLadyPoet

You state that wealthy countries, such as America, contain people with higher IQ's by virtue of the fact that higher wealth creates higher IQ's. You state, as evidence, that poor countries produce no new innovations, and therefore have lower IQ's. I take exception to the assumption in 1). I came from a 'poor' family, but I also come from a line of people with IQ's qualifying for MENSA/ women of MENSA. My mother was on welfare while getting her Masters. Clearly, being poor didn't lower our IQ's, and I venture to submit that no amount of wealth could raise the IQ's of the ignoramics that live down the street from me. 2.) IQ scoring is subjective; I think we can agree. Being poor does not keep one from learning. Having money does not bestow intellegence. You say, “problem-solving, critical-thinking, and pattern-finding abilities, among other things distinct from knowledge. These shouldn't be affected by standardized education, but they are." It is also affected by early childhood exposure, which can and does come from providing children with stimulating, nurturing environments, which does not cost money. As to your comments about poor countries, I said the exception would be people who are literally living in survivalist mode. It is the will to live better, to solve problems of hardship and discomfort that give rise to invention. If a man sits in wealth, waited on by servants, fed through no effort or thought of his own, where is his motivation to improve farming machinery? One the other hand, if a man toiled for his food, in his own fields, and uses a stick to pound holes into the dirt, it is him that would look for a way to do such a thing easier or better, that would take a scrap piece of metal he finds, and fashion it into a nifty drill, or attach it to a log of wood, and hook that log to a mule to be pulled through the soil to make a furrow. The man with his servants, feeding him food he does not toil for, has no need to think of these things. Of course, the absolutely starving man would just be out there 24/7 looking for a plant, grub, or root to eat, and would have to use his time/energy to get enough to eat...but he would have to THINK of a better way to do so, if he planned to survive for any length of time. His struggle would prod him to find a better, easier way. His discomfort being his motivating factor. His environment would dictate that he get inventive and gain knowledge of his environment, or perish. Necessity breeds invention. People struggling to survive are busy trying to survive; that does not mean they do not have the intelligence to innovate, it just means that they do not have the time to pursue such things, nor the power to share their inventions with the world, in order to get credit for them. I get the impression from your statements that you believe all the poor to be of low intelligence in your Arab countries, as well as other poor countries. Consider that every immigrant that first came to this country was poor; most of them were not educated. How then could you explain their inventions and innovations, based on your premises? I submit that it was the freedom and ability to succeed or to fail, and to be responsible for your own welfare, to eat the fruit of your own labor, which gave rise to the inventions that made their toil easier and more productive. That wealth you speak of was MADE and EARNED from the intelligence of many people, from all kinds of poor countries, applied concretely, in the form of inventions and innovations, applied to their environments, which demanded they think or fail. Think or not. Apply their God-given intelligence or perish! 'Not having' brought the necessity of intellegent action that bred the invention that created the wealth. That seems simple to understand. Those countries that do not use their intelligence, that do not allow the freedom from terror, that create an environment in which people must live in survivalist mode, they are what stunt intelligence’s creative environment. If I might die tomorrow, why should I extend the energy to create anything today? For what?! I will not have tomorrow to improve upon! Freedom to act, and not being acted upon in a hostile environment is necessary for a man to be creative within his intelligence. You counted the man's coins, and decided this bought him the education that gave him his intellegence. You have it backwards. His freedom to use his intellegence in a non-hostile environment made him seek knowledge and education, and together he used them to create inventions and innovations, that then led to his wealth, in a country that allowed him the right to the wealth he earned.

amanda_dcosta 14-Dec-05/1:25 AM
well, its been interesting reading about the debate on intelligence and richness. while, zodiacs point on a higher IQ score in america is a possibilty as it has been shown that with higher levels of education there is a rise in IQ. HOWEVER that in no way can be equated to success. Its been shown that people with higher EQs(emotional quotient) do much better than people with higher IQs be it in a financial sense or in a social sense.
Again equating the fact that americans have a higher IQ and thats why they are more successful or will be more successful as compared to the rest of the world also does not make sense. Civilizations have risen and fallen. The american led civilization is just another spike in the march of time. COMPARED to the great civilizations that rose from other places, america is only a few hundred years old. Time will flow on and other civilizations will rise and fall. Its funny how IQ shifts with the time.
I believe all people are basically equal but wealth does give you a chance to develop your intelligence, however that in no way guarantees you a good future. I believe human desperation and plain old luck plays a great part in human future. Everytime people have been forced to start from scratch and fight their way up, they generally produce tougher civilisations. While richer places have fallen down, with greed and decadence slowly eating out their souls. This has been one of the lessons of time.
To push this debate into more irrelevance i believe that america will continue to lead the world for some period in the future but as time goes on and the forces of globilisation will push the world together, a period of increased co-dependence will begin. As man push on to the stars the next great civilsations will begin there for the people who venture forth willl be more desperate and innovate better than the people of earth, IQ not being a factor. Remember necessity is the mother of all inventions, and not IQ.




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